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To: Popman
It was reported (in the link to other article*) that there was a gun in the car and one of the officers yelled "gun" which may have caused escalation of the incident by police. The gun in the vehicle turned out to be a toy gun.

*State officer in minivan shooting is fired

6 posted on 12/07/2013 3:19:05 PM PST by CedarDave (Small town America - last stand for God, freedom, civility, and American values.)
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To: CedarDave

My opinion may not be a popular one but that woman escalated this with her actions and those of her son. When people react that way during a traffic stop LEO becomes convinced they are dealing with real bad folk. Normal citizens do not behave that way during a traffic stop.

The woman was speeding down a mountain road endangering her own children and others on the same road.

Her actions were totally out of control as were her son’s. Her son is large for his age and appears to be an adult, as I remember two of the other children are teens so LEO was likely thinking they were dealing with 3-4 adults, two of the “adults” were out of control.

She was so uncooperative LEO did not know what they were really dealing with. As it turns out she had a small amount of drugs and was speeding, most people do not act the way she and her son did unless they are truly bad characters. The way she and her son were acting LEO had no way to know they were not dealing with a kidnap situation- human trafficking or even worse type of criminal behavior.

At least one of the officers claimed to have seen a firearm, and at the time it was not clear it was a toy. The woman had fled and was fleeing again- down a mountain road which seriously endangered everyone in that vehicle and indeed everyone on the road. I do think the officer that fired was shooting at her tires, which as I understand from people who have tried to shoot tires of a moving vehicle it is very hard to hit tires.

This officer had far more cause to fire at that vehicle than the California LEOs had to fire on the newspaper ladies and the man in their vehicles during the Dorner manhunt yet those officers have been cleared as far as I know.

It is pretty easy to armchair quarterback when we knew in the first reports that she was the only adult and the other passengers were children or at least minors. We also knew the gun was a toy and that she is just an out of control idiot and so is her son. LEO at the scene did not have any of this information while they were making split second decisions.


18 posted on 12/07/2013 4:56:07 PM PST by Tammy8
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To: CedarDave
It was reported (in the link to other article*) that there was a gun in the car and one of the officers yelled "gun" which may have caused escalation of the incident by police.

...and that justifies shooting at a van with children in it ?

That is SOP for the LEO ?

I seriously doubt it...

19 posted on 12/07/2013 5:13:56 PM PST by Popman
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