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Arrow-wielding elves and fiery Smaug amp up action in 'The Hobbit'
money.msn.com ^ | December 12, 2013 6:03 PM ET.

Posted on 12/12/2013 5:53:02 PM PST by BenLurkin

In the male-dominated realm of Middle Earth, only a few female characters are given a chance to shine - notably Liv Tyler's elf maiden Arwen and Cate Blanchett's elf queen Galadriel in the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

When adapting Tolkein's prequel "The Hobbit" into three films, Jackson worked with producers to create a new character not featured in the original book. Unlike Tyler and Blanchett's characters, the elf warrior Tauriel, played by Evangeline Lilly, is not high-born - she is a working class 'Silvan' elf, who guards the Elven kingdom.

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TOPICS: TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: hobbit; hollywood; moviereview
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1 posted on 12/12/2013 5:53:02 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
create a new character not featured in the original book

hmmmmm... we have a _resident just like that....

2 posted on 12/12/2013 5:54:47 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

Fictionalized fiction.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 5:57:10 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

mathematically a double negative is positive


4 posted on 12/12/2013 5:58:46 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BenLurkin

Cumberbatch, who also plays dark spirit Necromancer in “The Hobbit” films, said Smaug’s characteristics could convey a more contemporary social message.

“You could read him as some sort of emblem for all that’s gone wrong in the past decade with free market capitalism if you wanted to.


Smaug does nothing to create his own wealth but simply takes from others who were successful. He lays around doing nothing and creates a nasty smell in the residence he does not own or pay for.

Sounds more like an indictment of the typical obama voter


5 posted on 12/12/2013 5:58:55 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: BenLurkin
On Smaug:

"You could read him as some sort of emblem for all that's gone wrong in the past decade with free market capitalism if you wanted to. His level of venality is pretty devastating and destroys him as much as the things around him," he said.

Yeah. Sure. We're just overwhelmed with an out-of-control free market. That's the problem. Uh huh.

I'm looking forward to the film, but Jackson always makes some bad choices, and his view of the world is not my view, and I suspect that Tolkien would be dismayed by much that is in (and much that is not in) the movies.

6 posted on 12/12/2013 5:59:18 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: BenLurkin

Does anyone remember the old video format which used a needle much like a stereo? You pushed the entire record and cover into it and it extracts the video disc.

I had the cartoon version of “The Hobbit” on one of those discs and it was actually pretty good. It gave me a good background on the story and I look forward to seeing the new movies.


7 posted on 12/12/2013 6:00:14 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: BenLurkin

Eh...meh. I skipped The Hobbit because it looked like they were trying to make it too much like LOTR. The clips I’ve seen of the new one look like more of the same.

Yeah, I get that The Hobbit is the precursor to LOTR. But The Hobbit novel also had a different feel and flow to it. It wasn’t the epic struggle of good and evil so much as the wonders of the world revealed to someone whose world had been quite small before. The was the charm of the book for me.

Just MHO, of course. Millions of movie goers obviously disagree with me.


8 posted on 12/12/2013 6:03:52 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is *always* intense.)
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To: yarddog
anyone remember

either fortunately or unfortunately i do

9 posted on 12/12/2013 6:03:53 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: yarddog

My sister bought me the illustrated book that used stills from that movie.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 6:04:03 PM PST by Tailback
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To: yarddog

Read the book it’s even better!


11 posted on 12/12/2013 6:04:24 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: yarddog

down down to goblin town...best song ever


12 posted on 12/12/2013 6:05:25 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

It was actually full of good songs.


13 posted on 12/12/2013 6:07:16 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

those 15 birds,
in 5 birch trees,
o what shall we do,
with the funny little things


14 posted on 12/12/2013 6:08:32 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: bigheadfred

Yeah, the video quality was watchable but that was about it.

They also had a lot of “skips”.


15 posted on 12/12/2013 6:09:04 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: BenLurkin
...to create a new character not featured in the original book.


16 posted on 12/12/2013 6:10:22 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: icwhatudo

“The greatest adventure” “Chip the glasses, crack the plates. That’s what Bilbo Baggins hates”.


17 posted on 12/12/2013 6:11:05 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

my dad had one for a couple of weeks


18 posted on 12/12/2013 6:11:45 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

Fake but accurate?


19 posted on 12/12/2013 6:11:53 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Just had to stretch it out a bit, eh? Can’t wait to see it. I love those stories, as is. Liked LOTR but missed Tom Bombadil, the other Rangers, and the scouring of the Shire which is crucial to the point of the spreading of evil.


20 posted on 12/12/2013 6:12:32 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: BenLurkin

i need to consult the missus


21 posted on 12/12/2013 6:13:06 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

I still have one which works along with maybe a dozen movies.

The last time I played it, I had to replace the rubber band drive belt. I suspect if I get it out again, it will require another one.

That first drive belt had literally turned into a glue like substance.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 6:15:13 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: DemforBush

I agree.

The Hobbit is a upbeat little tale — and IIRC the ring was a kind fun thing. Not evil at all.


23 posted on 12/12/2013 6:16:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

I think Jackson has the trust of the audience to make it work. Looking forward to seeing it soon.


24 posted on 12/12/2013 6:25:39 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

I’m confident that it will work to make him money.


25 posted on 12/12/2013 6:27:45 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: yarddog

RCA selectavision. My dad sold his 2 players and about 250 movies last summer.


26 posted on 12/12/2013 6:34:21 PM PST by BudgieRamone (Everybody loves a bonk on the head.)
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To: BenLurkin

I’ve been reading Tolkien forever. Read it to all of my kids, too.

Frankly, I recommended re-reading the books and forgetting the movies.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 6:38:09 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BudgieRamone

Mine is a Sears. I have no idea who actually made it.


28 posted on 12/12/2013 6:39:24 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: BenLurkin

***to create a new character not featured in the original book. ***

Kind of like what Dalton Trumbo did to SPARTACUS. There was no Tony Curtis character in the Howard Fast book.

Also no “I AM SPARTACUS” scene.


29 posted on 12/12/2013 6:41:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Cicero

I think most of the people who will see these movies have little interest in reading.

My goal this year was to read 100 books. I am currently on my 74th.

Gonna fall short of the goal but the only regret I have is my wife washed my wallet and punch card for Book City. It was almost good for that $5.00 off.


30 posted on 12/12/2013 6:48:50 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DemforBush
Just MHO, of course. Millions of movie goers obviously disagree with me.

I love all of the books, and I read them every few years just for the experience.

The movies depart from the books in many ways. Plot elements that were crucial in the books were dropped in the movies. (For example, the fact that Bilbo had cursed Gollum that if he ever touched the ring again, he would die, and it was that curse that actually enabled the destruction of the ring was completely omitted from the movies.) Despite the differences, despite the fact that a lot of LOTR material was placed into the Hobbit movie--I still enjoy the movies. They will never have the impact that the books have on me.

31 posted on 12/12/2013 6:52:28 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: bigheadfred

But grammatically a double positive is a negative. “You’re going to regret that.” “Yeah, right.”


32 posted on 12/12/2013 6:55:29 PM PST by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl

yeah huh


33 posted on 12/12/2013 7:03:22 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

I was a fan of Lord of the Rings but I have yet to see “The Hobbit”


34 posted on 12/12/2013 7:06:37 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

i liked it enuf to pirate a copy


35 posted on 12/12/2013 7:10:01 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

The MPAA will be knocking on your door... :p


36 posted on 12/12/2013 7:17:47 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

good luck i wish them the best of luck if only if they can get over the pile of bodies from the nsa fbi hhs epa fcc irs...


37 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:37 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: BenLurkin

Evangeline Lilly. I think she played ‘Kate’ in the TV series ‘Lost’. And she dated another character on Lost who also played ‘Meriadoc Took’ in the Trilogy. And she’s built like a boy.
Wonder if that’s how she got the job; and, I hate it when directors and screenwriters make stuff up. (See: ‘Under the Dome’).


38 posted on 12/12/2013 8:06:55 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Cicero

I’ve been reading the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogy since high school in the early 60’s. I just finished reading the Hobbit again last year before the first prequel was released. I love the books and read them every few years.

But the movies are very well made too. So they may vary a little from the books but what movie doesn’t? No movie I ever saw that was made from a book was EXACTLY like the book. They never are.

But books are for curling up on the couch to read or reading in bed before falling to sleep at night. Movies are meant to be a completely different experience. Bigger than life screens, popcorn and a soda, an entertaining movie in a dark theater are great times. Reading books and watching movies are not meant to be the same. And who really cares if the movie is a little off from the text? All movie-makers take some creative license to make the movie as entertaining as possible.

My wife and I and enjoyed the Lord of the Rings trilogy movies and have seen the prequel of the Hobbit. We are looking forward to seeing the second part as well. These are timeless classics and I am glad someone finally put them to the big screen in a quality way.


39 posted on 12/12/2013 9:10:59 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: icwhatudo

How many millions has Cumberbatch taken for his films?


40 posted on 12/12/2013 9:36:22 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: HotHunt

Well, I enjoyed the Lord of the Ring movies, in a way. But they kept straying further and further away from the books, and in the end I was very disappointed. It wasn’t just a question of leaving out complications, but it was a failure to understand some of Tolkien’s most basic ideas.

Nobility and honor, for instance.


41 posted on 12/13/2013 9:03:49 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: BenLurkin
For the record, in The Fellowship of the Ring (1st movie), Liv Tyler's elf maiden Arwen carried Frodo to Rivendell. However, in the book it is a MALE elf who does it.

So, the exageration of female importance has run throughout the franchise.

42 posted on 12/13/2013 9:52:49 AM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: DemforBush
It wasn’t the epic struggle of good and evil so much as the wonders of the world revealed to someone whose world had been quite small before. The was the charm of the book for me.

Yea, that was the same for me......

Just curious, is Tom Bombadil in the Hobbit movie?

43 posted on 12/13/2013 10:07:18 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: tumblindice
(See: ‘Under the Dome’).

Is that coming back as a series? It should have ended for good with the final episode.........

44 posted on 12/13/2013 10:12:18 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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I knew that. The elf’s name was Garfunkel.

Oh wait...that’s in “Bored of the Rings”


45 posted on 12/13/2013 11:38:27 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Cicero

Nobility and honor are an anathema to the pinkos and perverts who run the so-called “entertainment” industry.


46 posted on 12/13/2013 11:39:38 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Is that creature a Smaug ?


47 posted on 12/13/2013 10:53:26 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: bigheadfred

26 more in about 18 days. I suggest short stories.....

I had read these years ago. Many nice stories.
100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories by Isaac Asimov
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Science-Fiction-Short-Stories/dp/0380507730

50 Short Science Fiction Tales by Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Heinlein and many more
http://www.amazon.com/50-Short-Science-Fiction-Tales/dp/0684842963/ref=pd_sim_b_2

Typed 26 short stories in google and found this.
Or try mystery stories. Cost is 99 cents for 26 of em.
http://www.amazon.com/In-Pulps-26-Short-Stories-ebook/dp/B00C1M1G3U


48 posted on 12/13/2013 11:06:06 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Hot Tabasco
Just curious, is Tom Bombadil in the Hobbit movie?

Bombadil only appears in the Fellowship of the Ring (book) and in some Tolkien poetry.

In The Hobbit, there is a (somewhat) equivalent character named Beorn who is a shape-changer (bear). He is in the book, and I'm pretty sure he's in the movie -- but I haven't seen the second Hobbit movie, so I cannot say for sure.

49 posted on 12/14/2013 6:09:16 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

That is most certainly true. The spirit of the books is not in any of the movies.


50 posted on 12/16/2013 4:53:17 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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