[papertyger]

My only point is that a pregnancy is required for any abortion to ever occur....and THAT is controllable by both the man and the woman. Without any pregnancy, abortion is a moot point.

Yet that is invariably what women fixate on, rather than their own responsibility for "pulling the trigger."

Do a search. See how many women in these discussions admit, without prompting, they are the ultimate determiner.

[Girlene]

I think we’re arguing past each other. I’m not trying to fixate on either gender....I blame both.

Yes, she makes the final determination to have an abortion. So if you want to blame her more, go ahead.

I am positing that men should be less passive in the situation and not ever let it get to that point.

The sad fact is...is that a child is dead and both parents have to live with that for the rest of their lives (assuming the man knows).