Posted on 01/11/2014 6:06:05 PM PST by servo1969
After seeing a depiction of how these guys fought and what they were up against, why should he be afraid of a punk like Tapper. You could tell Wahlberg just let him go at Tapper.
They did everything right.
They wondered aloud about what to do with the goatherds, just as anyone would do in his own mind.
They could not murder them, and they were right not to.
The Apaches should have been left on site for support.
The communications with the phone should have been quicker.
The intel could have been better regarding what they were going into.
The radios should have worked.
My late father, a former exec at an electronics corp, a former marine, and an electrical engineer, today, a day after seeing the movie, would be making tracks and scrambling to make sure no team gets caught like that without proper radio communication.
And any SONY, Motorola, even Radio Shack, certainly Apple execs today should be doing so.
There is a great shame that our researchers can’t figure out how to get radios to special forces teams.
Tapper is way off in this respect:
He, like all comfortable, proud closed-minded, selfish Americans, is under the impression that people in the military choose their missions and opt in or out.
They don’t.
And maybe the good Mr. Wahlberg, who took on this project and produced it, realizes this but is not aware:
It is the voters, the citizens who pick and choose wars and missions and battles when they choose our leaders.
It is congress who is in control of our engagements.
Period.
So Tapper needs to speak with and about Congress, and leave the military individual, who is doing his job, trusting the voters and the Congress to keep them in or out of their missions.
And they’ll die doing so, and these guys will die without fear, or loss of hope. That’s what they do.
“Seeing Marcus completely own the arrogant Jake Tapper was...priceless.”
Not to mention dee-licious.
IMHO
Like all movies, I’m sure much of what was in the book was cut out. They probably wanted to focus the story more on his miraculous survival than what got them in the situation in the first place. More *glamorous* and *Hollywood*!
These are highly trained men used to making important decisions in the blink of an eye. If the movie made it look like a rash or easy decision, they’ve misled the audience, IMO.
Many elements of the story don’t make sense. There were parallels with some of the things that happened in Operation Anaconda in 02.
Should not have relocated the OP without advising the TOC.
Should have manuvered to maintain contact, backtracking as far as necessary.
Should have marched the shepherds over the mountain.
Well I’m no ops guy. Makes sense. They were surrounded, dropped there. Navigable backtracking? They could’ve brought he herders, but a group would’ve come looking for them
They could’ve used some communications devices. I said my dad would’ve been on it after the film. I think he’d have been on it at least when the book came out if not the news report. So I wonder if seine at Raytheon got on it
They has comms all the way to the planned OP. There is no technology that can penetrate mountains. If the geography dictates it, you have to plan relays to support your positioning. The movie hinted at that through the incredulity of the higher commander who could not believe that the planned status updates had been missed and yet not reported.
there was that failure, too. Probably the worst. The radios should’ve worked on the summit, that was what they all were counting on.
I missed the message of the conversation between the Captain and the LtC.
do you mean the captain was outraged as opposed to incredulous?
He was a Navy CDR (O5 black oak leaf) I think. He was more incredulous than outraged. “Why am I hearing this now?...LCDR do we have a problem?”. The LCDR (Kristensen) later dies as part of the QRF in the CH47 shootdown . Incidentally, I think that same actor was an operator in “Black Hawk Down”.
"Any thing that can go wrong, will go wrong" - Murphy
Yeah. I didn’t get that interchange.
I took it that Christenson should’ve got onto the situation sooner.
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