[BikerJoe]

The question is how many more good Americans die while pretend to ourselves that we’re going to blast a Stone Age country into the 21st century? If they'd keep their Stone Age evil to themselves, the answer would be zero more good Americans would die. But they spread their Stone Age evil all across the globe, wantonly murdering countless numbers of innocents in brutal ways. So good people will continue to die at their hands, whether it be American soldiers, or innocent people just going to work early one morning in NYC.

We literally just got back from the movie, and I have to admit I'm torn. Part of me says do what it takes to finish it and get out (but that part of me would push the button on every nuke we have), and another part of me saw good Afghans in the movie who fight the Taliban and just want to be left alone. Of course, if the first part of me got his way, they'd be vaporized too.

[randita]

The fight will never end - that’s Biblical. It will assume various forms. One is direct confrontation and the other is quiet assimilation.

The Jihadists will not have a change of heart and stay within their own enclaves. They seek the annihilation of Israel and the west.

The best defense against them is a good offense. Keeping them corralled in their own cesspool is what needs to be accomplished.

How that has been and should be done is a matter of debate.

If the corral is NOT built in the Middle East, then it has to be built at our own borders. That means more NSA involvement and loss of personal freedoms. That means adopting ways of protecting ourselves similar to that of Israel. And even that is not 100% certain.

There hasn’t been a major terrorist attack here since 9/11. Has that just been dumb luck or has our “taking the fight to the enemy” made the difference?

There have always been sacrifices for freedom and security. It doesn’t come without a price in today’s world. Who will make the sacrifices?

I, like you, am torn.