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Figuring out the Liberal Mind

Posted on 01/12/2014 2:26:26 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

I wonder if any Freepers are aware of Jon Haidt. His theories explain a lot and explain why we are in this current battle of Freedom vs. Fairness.

He is a self-identified liberal so don’t let your friends when you explain this to them get away with saying he is a right wing wacko.

Basically he has found that there what he calls “Moral Foundations” that humans everywhere subscribe to. These are in our makeups, and we filter information to fit them into our moral foundation.

Basically there are 5 of these:

1)Care/Harm

2)Fairness/Cheating

3)Loyalty/Betrayal

4) Authority/Anarchy

5)Purity/Hedonism

Everybody is born with these because of the human survival instinct. But instead of weighting these all the same the every human falls into 2 ways of attaching importance to these moral foundations.

The liberal attaches more weight to these foundations starting with care/harm the most important and decreasing from there to the lowest which is purity/hedonism. The conservative weighs them all equally.

If you keep this in mind, like a decoder ring liberals start making sense. The irony is by making "Do no harm" and "Fairness" the only things they think are important causes a lot of harm and unfairness because this approach is too simplistic.

Moral Foundations Theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory

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TED Talk: Jonathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives [video]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlj9za_ted-talk-jonathan-haidt-on-the-moral-roots-of-liberals-and-conservatives_news

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The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

Jonathan Haidt (Author)

http://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion-ebook/dp/B0052FF7YM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389552628&sr=8-1&keywords=haidt


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1 posted on 01/12/2014 2:26:26 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

They want to be the ones running the prison and they want everyone else to be prisoners.


2 posted on 01/12/2014 2:28:20 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

They do...but there will always be a them and an us. ‘Tis human nature...that’s why history repeats itself.


3 posted on 01/12/2014 2:31:05 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Dana Loesch: From Liberal To Conservative
4 posted on 01/12/2014 2:31:34 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Mia San Mia)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

My theory is that liberals are people stuck in arrested development. They are mentally, teenagers. And nobody’s forcing them to grow up.

They are perpetual teenagers. Hyper-idealistic not caring about how things really are in the real world. Expecting others to take care of them, but only when they want it, and don’t ever judge them (but give them stuff). Wanting to play house, play being adults, but be shielded only from the negative consequences, and be the sole reaper of any good consequences and fortune.

These are people that want “society” to be their parents, they want society to shelter them if they get into trouble, they want society to force others to do stuff, but they don’t want society to force them to do anything they don’t want to do.

They have stopped in their progression to being a complete, total adult person, who takes full responsibility for their actions, good or bad, has no problem with others taking care of their wants and needs, and feels like they deserve and are entitled to this kind of care. They are perpetual adolescents and they are trapped there. Reality and the real world being on your own, is what forms the final step into adulthood. these people have never been forced to make/take this final step in natural human existence.


5 posted on 01/12/2014 2:37:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
They play monopoly with economics. There is no common sense reality to pay for anything.

Democrats also have a huge racism issue among their minorities.

6 posted on 01/12/2014 2:42:47 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Figuring out the Liberal "Mind"

I'd use an analogy-by-art approach. Study a lot of abstract art and paradox drawings like Escher and so on, as well as fridge pics by first graders (no insult intended, first graders). That should give you an idea what the inside of a liberal mind is like, as well as the perception from in there.

7 posted on 01/12/2014 2:50:29 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Liberals are mean, vicious, vindictive and hateful. I don’t see where you get off thinking they are on the caring side. They only care about themselves.

You want to figure out where a liberal gets his ideas? They start with the premise that there is no God except themselves and end up worshiping the State.

Liberalism is a religion. The further a man gets from God the closer he gets to a liberal mindset.


8 posted on 01/12/2014 2:57:25 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Nice description.

My addition would be that that arrested development is no accident - it’s carefully engineered, maintained and directed.


9 posted on 01/12/2014 2:57:39 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Fear.

At root, they're collectively afraid of their own shadows.
It paralyzes any vestigial common sense.
Hence their donning kneepads for most anyone/anything promising to 'protect' them.

The old adage is unable to penetrate their trembling self-loathing:


     Courage isn't the lack of fear, it's the willingness to act in spite of it

10 posted on 01/12/2014 2:58:07 PM PST by tomkat
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To: tomkat

I like that one, too. Fear is their root - literally insane levels of fear, that sane people cannot comprend. Unfortunately liberals use their fear as justification to protect it, rather than defeat it.


11 posted on 01/12/2014 3:04:59 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Liberals regard themselves as elite as well as better educated and informed than most people. Liberal policies are all about “helping” the majority who are seen as incapable of making the “right” decisions in their lives...hence liberal policies force us to buy the “right” light bulbs,cars, healthcare etc. Liberals are intollerent and regard anyone who does not follow their world view as stupid, racists, bigoted, deniers, mind numbed robots who listen to Rush and homophobes. Liberals would readily agree to censorship of all but the “right” ideas, forcing those who do not agree to conform and have no idea about the concepts of individual liberty and limited government.


12 posted on 01/12/2014 3:07:06 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

A lot of people completely blow off my explanation of “liberals” because it seems reactionary and about 20 other adjectives. But people should really think about this.

Non liberals look at the greenies crying around trees as in the famous youtube video and think ‘Those people are crazy; They look at Occupy Wall Street hipsters and think they are just clueless trust funders; they look at their next door neighbors who are ‘just like you and me’ but vote Democrat and say to themselves “Well... they are intelligent people that just don’t U N D E R S T A NnnnnnnnDddddddd...

Well, in part that is kindasorta part of it. But it’s the symptom of the real problem. Liberals are at their core, evil. Well and truly, textbook/look up the definition EVIL.

Don’t stop reading. Think it through. This thread talks about morality and how liberals prioritize it. Well, look at the facts. And yes, they are FACTS because every day, on every subject they take the most evil of all possible positions and outcomes.

Pick any of the 7 deadly sins. I promise you that IMMEDIATELY upon uttering them one by one, an image will flash into your mind showing an example of a liberal committing it. In fact, you will be flooded by memories of liberals committing them.

Now I do not intend for this to be a religious screed, but morality is part and parcel of religion. And what do liberals fight hardest to destroy? Yup. Religion. So it cannot be separated.

That said, Non liberals are not perfect. We screw up like everyone else. But who is responsible for the most rapes? People of a liberal bent or people of a non liberal philosophy? Who commits the vast majority of murders? Robbery? Assault?

Is it the church lady that forces transgender education and restrooms on the grade school kids of the world or the WoymnZ studies grad? Is it the Duck Dynasty rednecks of the world that push for the surveillance state tactics we now live under or the children of the 60s and their wannabee hangers on from the current generation? Is it the political right that do everything in their power to delegitimize Israel and any other country that does not follow State Dept edicts on homosexuality, or the ‘radical right wing nutjob”?

Evil is a concept, but it is also an action. And concepts are meaningless unless acted upon. So it’s really simple. Who is committing the ridiculously disproportionate actions of evil in the world today?

Well, the FACTS show that it’s people who follow the tennets of liberalism...be they marxist, socialist or Hatian Voodoo.

So the next time you hear someone tell you that such and such person is ‘really a good person’ and that they are just like you and I...well, all I can tell you is that ‘good people’ don’t willingly empower evil. No matter if they are your next door neighbor or not.


13 posted on 01/12/2014 3:16:08 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Figuring out the liberal mind

In order to figure out the liberal mind, one has to determine whether or not a liberal even HAS a mind to begin with. I am not convinced they do.

14 posted on 01/12/2014 3:25:24 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71a)
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To: GeronL

The slave toiling in the field doesn’t yearn for freedom. He yearns to be the one wielding the lash.


15 posted on 01/12/2014 3:29:37 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Isn’t “liberal mind” a contradiction in terms?


16 posted on 01/12/2014 3:31:16 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I have been turning this over in my head since I entered this thread, and can see the basic flaw in this "logical" liberal thinking (I know...any oxymoron, but I digress...)

The basic flaw is encoded in this statement below, but what these statement REALLY does is highlight the cleavage between conservatism and liberalism:

"...Basically he has found that there what he calls “Moral Foundations” that humans everywhere subscribe to. These are in our makeups, and we filter information to fit them into our moral foundation..."

LIBERALS BELIEVE ALL PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY GOOD, AND IF THEY ARE NOT, IT IS BECAUSE OF AN EFFECT SOCIETY HAS HAD ON THEM. CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE BAD, THAT NO AMOUNT OF REMEDIATION OR REHABILITATION IS GOING TO CHANGE THEM, AND THAT ANY PERSONAL OR GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION MUST TAKE THAT DIFFERENCE INTO ACCOUNT.

It is why the US Constitution is such a brilliant document...and why the founders were equally as gifted in their creation of it. They KNEW what tyranny was, and they knew that if they let the inherent good of human nature guide our government, it was going to founder on the rocks of that assumption, because there are humans who not only NOT be guided by an inherent good, but will go as far as to take advantage of a populace that believes that a ruling class has inherent good in it.

Secondly, liberals are full of hot air when they utilize terms such as Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Purity. To the uninitiated (in our unfortunate case, the lazy and uninformed electorate, or the "sheeple" as they may be labeled) these terms are self evident.

What is WRONG with 'CARING'?

Is FAIRNESS such a wrong goal? Shouldn't things be FAIR?

LOYALTY is a good thing, right?

AUTHORITY is the glue that helps us be a nation of Law and Order, isn't it?

PURITY is an obvious good thing, all people STRIVE to be pure, don't they?

And so, they view these things. They mirror their values onto others, which is bad enough, but what is worse, they have no problem twisting the very words they base their philosophy on in order to suit their ends.

Liberals believe in Utopia, and all means to reach that end are acceptable.

What does 'CARING' actually mean? If you don't believe that illegal immigrants SHOULD get money from taxpaying Americans to get a college education and free health care, then you aren't 'caring'.

FAIRNESS? This is a big one to liberals. Like the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) it can mean anything they want it to mean. And it covers EVERYTHING from minimum wage (why should a CEO get paid 400x what a burger flipper gets?), healthcare (why should American citizens get it, and undocumented workers don't) welfare (people living at the "poverty line" aren't there because of anything THEY did, it isn't FAIR) warfare (it's not fair to use jet fighters and guided weapons to fight enemies who only have guns) and so on. LOYALTY cannot be to a country, soldiers, a constitution, or a flag, but CAN be directed towards a union, a political boss, a despot or a Marxist president.

AUTHORITY means THEIR OWN authority that will help them reach their liberal UTOPIA. ALL actions approved by that loyalty are acceptable, because the ends justifies the means to them, especially when it helps them get closer to whatever their liberal utopia happens to be. Doesn't make a difference if 60 million people have to be murdered as the Communist Chinese did in their attempts to achieve a communist utopia.

And lastly, we come to PURITY. Liberals believe that people cannot help themselves when it comes to certain behavior such as crime, homosexuality and other immoral behavior. Their solution to this to be able to claim PURITY is to simply have no standards whatsoever. If there is no standard to meet, then one cannot be pilloried for not meeting that standard. To Liberals, their biggest crime is hypocrisy, and it is what they attempt to accuse their enemies of at every turn. To avoid having the charge leveled against them, all behavior is acceptable. So, this entire construct is just another attempt to place what they hope is a logical and irrefutable grid or framework on their pathetic and dangerous ideology that allows them to codify it, but like everything else they do, it isn't worth the paper it is written on because it is all just hot air. When you refuse the concession that words have meanings, you can make them mean whatever you WANT them to mean, which is what ALL liberal ideologies have in common.

17 posted on 01/12/2014 3:36:06 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Well, there is much truth in what you say. (I live in Massachusetts, so I know full well that truth you wrote)

I truly don’t think all liberals are evil. But I will say this: there is a significant percentage of them that are well and truly evil.

But I believe there is a far larger portion of liberals who are well meaning, but...ignorant.

I use the rule of threes to classify liberals

In the first class of liberals (the one which many run of the mill liberals I know are classified as) are, for lack of a better term, bleeding heart liberals. They’re not bad people, they’re not evil people… they simply arrive at conclusions based on their emotions. These are the kind of people we can talk to, the kind of people you will sometimes hear say things like: “why can’t the government make some money available to people who are down on their luck?” I view them as being basically good people, but either mis-informed or mal-informed.

The second class of liberals are the moonbats. I don’t view these people as being either very intelligent or very thoughtful. They’re the people who drunk the Kool-Aid, and can recite talking points with fevered faces and bulging eyes. I find these people are impossible to talk to because they’re impervious to logic and reason. They believe what they want to believe, and they believe in it passionately, deeply, and with no element of self introspection involved. These are people who fit the bill of the description “Useful Idiots”. They are the ones who will scream the loudest in protest when the Marxists and the true believers take over and push the moonbats into the reeducation camps with all the rest of us. “But I agree with you! I’m not like the rest of these people! Why are you doing this?”

The third class of liberals are the true, hard-core believers. They not only know the writings of Saul Alinsky, but understand what his tactics mean and how they are used. They don’t believe in the garbage that the moonbats subscribe to. These people believe in raw, unadulterated possession of power. There is no compromise and no negotiation with these people that will be fruitful. These people are true enemies of the American way of life. Most of these people (if not all) hate this country and all it stands for, and wish to see it transformed into their vision under their control. THESE PEOPLE ARE TRULY EVIL, and they will justify it as being “for the greater good”.


18 posted on 01/12/2014 3:44:54 PM PST by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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“They’re not bad people, they’re not evil people…”

Sure they are. They support the killing of children via abortion on a whim. That’s evil.

Their bleeding heart BS lead to a number of suicides and thousands of broken homes in the Pacific NW over a bird. They placed the value of their eco religion over human lives.

Now you say that they didn’t think it through or whatever and that’s how many look at it. But I would say to you that when people in Germany didn’t think Hitler through, the result was what? A lot of evil. Today we look at those people as evil because they willfully ignored the truth around them.

I maintain all liberals are at their core, Evil.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 3:52:53 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: GeronL

“They want to be the ones running the prison and they want everyone else to be prisoners.”

I agree. They are all sorts of personality disordered individuals. I used to read all the psychology stuff, but I’ve been around liberals too long and watched them take over the country by any means possible.

They lie and cheat for power, and hold us to different standards. A great example is the fillibuster. They demanded their rights as the minority, but took ours when they were in power and that’s no big deal to them. Arguments exist only as deflections and blind alleys. They want full power. There is nothing tolerant about them. They are fascists.

Stuff like this article implies that both sides are of goodwill and will play by the rules. That doesn’t happen with them, so who cares why they the way they are?


20 posted on 01/12/2014 4:00:01 PM PST by Luke21
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