Skip to comments.Figuring out the Liberal Mind
Posted on 01/12/2014 2:26:26 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I wonder if any Freepers are aware of Jon Haidt. His theories explain a lot and explain why we are in this current battle of Freedom vs. Fairness.
He is a self-identified liberal so dont let your friends when you explain this to them get away with saying he is a right wing wacko.
Basically he has found that there what he calls Moral Foundations that humans everywhere subscribe to. These are in our makeups, and we filter information to fit them into our moral foundation.
Basically there are 5 of these:
Everybody is born with these because of the human survival instinct. But instead of weighting these all the same the every human falls into 2 ways of attaching importance to these moral foundations.
The liberal attaches more weight to these foundations starting with care/harm the most important and decreasing from there to the lowest which is purity/hedonism. The conservative weighs them all equally.
If you keep this in mind, like a decoder ring liberals start making sense. The irony is by making "Do no harm" and "Fairness" the only things they think are important causes a lot of harm and unfairness because this approach is too simplistic.
Moral Foundations Theory
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TED Talk: Jonathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives [video]
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The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion
Jonathan Haidt (Author)
They want to be the ones running the prison and they want everyone else to be prisoners.
They do...but there will always be a them and an us. ‘Tis human nature...that’s why history repeats itself.
My theory is that liberals are people stuck in arrested development. They are mentally, teenagers. And nobody’s forcing them to grow up.
They are perpetual teenagers. Hyper-idealistic not caring about how things really are in the real world. Expecting others to take care of them, but only when they want it, and don’t ever judge them (but give them stuff). Wanting to play house, play being adults, but be shielded only from the negative consequences, and be the sole reaper of any good consequences and fortune.
These are people that want “society” to be their parents, they want society to shelter them if they get into trouble, they want society to force others to do stuff, but they don’t want society to force them to do anything they don’t want to do.
They have stopped in their progression to being a complete, total adult person, who takes full responsibility for their actions, good or bad, has no problem with others taking care of their wants and needs, and feels like they deserve and are entitled to this kind of care. They are perpetual adolescents and they are trapped there. Reality and the real world being on your own, is what forms the final step into adulthood. these people have never been forced to make/take this final step in natural human existence.
Democrats also have a huge racism issue among their minorities.
I'd use an analogy-by-art approach. Study a lot of abstract art and paradox drawings like Escher and so on, as well as fridge pics by first graders (no insult intended, first graders). That should give you an idea what the inside of a liberal mind is like, as well as the perception from in there.
Liberals are mean, vicious, vindictive and hateful. I don’t see where you get off thinking they are on the caring side. They only care about themselves.
You want to figure out where a liberal gets his ideas? They start with the premise that there is no God except themselves and end up worshiping the State.
Liberalism is a religion. The further a man gets from God the closer he gets to a liberal mindset.
My addition would be that that arrested development is no accident - it’s carefully engineered, maintained and directed.
At root, they're collectively afraid of their own shadows.
It paralyzes any vestigial common sense.
Hence their donning kneepads for most anyone/anything promising to 'protect' them.
The old adage is unable to penetrate their trembling self-loathing:
Courage isn't the lack of fear, it's the willingness to act in spite of it
I like that one, too. Fear is their root - literally insane levels of fear, that sane people cannot comprend. Unfortunately liberals use their fear as justification to protect it, rather than defeat it.
Liberals regard themselves as elite as well as better educated and informed than most people. Liberal policies are all about “helping” the majority who are seen as incapable of making the “right” decisions in their lives...hence liberal policies force us to buy the “right” light bulbs,cars, healthcare etc. Liberals are intollerent and regard anyone who does not follow their world view as stupid, racists, bigoted, deniers, mind numbed robots who listen to Rush and homophobes. Liberals would readily agree to censorship of all but the “right” ideas, forcing those who do not agree to conform and have no idea about the concepts of individual liberty and limited government.
A lot of people completely blow off my explanation of “liberals” because it seems reactionary and about 20 other adjectives. But people should really think about this.
Non liberals look at the greenies crying around trees as in the famous youtube video and think ‘Those people are crazy; They look at Occupy Wall Street hipsters and think they are just clueless trust funders; they look at their next door neighbors who are ‘just like you and me’ but vote Democrat and say to themselves “Well... they are intelligent people that just don’t U N D E R S T A NnnnnnnnDddddddd...
Well, in part that is kindasorta part of it. But it’s the symptom of the real problem. Liberals are at their core, evil. Well and truly, textbook/look up the definition EVIL.
Don’t stop reading. Think it through. This thread talks about morality and how liberals prioritize it. Well, look at the facts. And yes, they are FACTS because every day, on every subject they take the most evil of all possible positions and outcomes.
Pick any of the 7 deadly sins. I promise you that IMMEDIATELY upon uttering them one by one, an image will flash into your mind showing an example of a liberal committing it. In fact, you will be flooded by memories of liberals committing them.
Now I do not intend for this to be a religious screed, but morality is part and parcel of religion. And what do liberals fight hardest to destroy? Yup. Religion. So it cannot be separated.
That said, Non liberals are not perfect. We screw up like everyone else. But who is responsible for the most rapes? People of a liberal bent or people of a non liberal philosophy? Who commits the vast majority of murders? Robbery? Assault?
Is it the church lady that forces transgender education and restrooms on the grade school kids of the world or the WoymnZ studies grad? Is it the Duck Dynasty rednecks of the world that push for the surveillance state tactics we now live under or the children of the 60s and their wannabee hangers on from the current generation? Is it the political right that do everything in their power to delegitimize Israel and any other country that does not follow State Dept edicts on homosexuality, or the ‘radical right wing nutjob”?
Evil is a concept, but it is also an action. And concepts are meaningless unless acted upon. So it’s really simple. Who is committing the ridiculously disproportionate actions of evil in the world today?
Well, the FACTS show that it’s people who follow the tennets of liberalism...be they marxist, socialist or Hatian Voodoo.
So the next time you hear someone tell you that such and such person is ‘really a good person’ and that they are just like you and I...well, all I can tell you is that ‘good people’ don’t willingly empower evil. No matter if they are your next door neighbor or not.
In order to figure out the liberal mind, one has to determine whether or not a liberal even HAS a mind to begin with. I am not convinced they do.
The slave toiling in the field doesn’t yearn for freedom. He yearns to be the one wielding the lash.
Isn’t “liberal mind” a contradiction in terms?
The basic flaw is encoded in this statement below, but what these statement REALLY does is highlight the cleavage between conservatism and liberalism:
"...Basically he has found that there what he calls Moral Foundations that humans everywhere subscribe to. These are in our makeups, and we filter information to fit them into our moral foundation..."
LIBERALS BELIEVE ALL PEOPLE ARE INHERENTLY GOOD, AND IF THEY ARE NOT, IT IS BECAUSE OF AN EFFECT SOCIETY HAS HAD ON THEM. CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE BAD, THAT NO AMOUNT OF REMEDIATION OR REHABILITATION IS GOING TO CHANGE THEM, AND THAT ANY PERSONAL OR GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION MUST TAKE THAT DIFFERENCE INTO ACCOUNT.
It is why the US Constitution is such a brilliant document...and why the founders were equally as gifted in their creation of it. They KNEW what tyranny was, and they knew that if they let the inherent good of human nature guide our government, it was going to founder on the rocks of that assumption, because there are humans who not only NOT be guided by an inherent good, but will go as far as to take advantage of a populace that believes that a ruling class has inherent good in it.
Secondly, liberals are full of hot air when they utilize terms such as Care, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Purity. To the uninitiated (in our unfortunate case, the lazy and uninformed electorate, or the "sheeple" as they may be labeled) these terms are self evident.
What is WRONG with 'CARING'?
Is FAIRNESS such a wrong goal? Shouldn't things be FAIR?
LOYALTY is a good thing, right?
AUTHORITY is the glue that helps us be a nation of Law and Order, isn't it?
PURITY is an obvious good thing, all people STRIVE to be pure, don't they?
And so, they view these things. They mirror their values onto others, which is bad enough, but what is worse, they have no problem twisting the very words they base their philosophy on in order to suit their ends.
Liberals believe in Utopia, and all means to reach that end are acceptable.
What does 'CARING' actually mean? If you don't believe that illegal immigrants SHOULD get money from taxpaying Americans to get a college education and free health care, then you aren't 'caring'.
FAIRNESS? This is a big one to liberals. Like the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) it can mean anything they want it to mean. And it covers EVERYTHING from minimum wage (why should a CEO get paid 400x what a burger flipper gets?), healthcare (why should American citizens get it, and undocumented workers don't) welfare (people living at the "poverty line" aren't there because of anything THEY did, it isn't FAIR) warfare (it's not fair to use jet fighters and guided weapons to fight enemies who only have guns) and so on. LOYALTY cannot be to a country, soldiers, a constitution, or a flag, but CAN be directed towards a union, a political boss, a despot or a Marxist president.
AUTHORITY means THEIR OWN authority that will help them reach their liberal UTOPIA. ALL actions approved by that loyalty are acceptable, because the ends justifies the means to them, especially when it helps them get closer to whatever their liberal utopia happens to be. Doesn't make a difference if 60 million people have to be murdered as the Communist Chinese did in their attempts to achieve a communist utopia.
And lastly, we come to PURITY. Liberals believe that people cannot help themselves when it comes to certain behavior such as crime, homosexuality and other immoral behavior. Their solution to this to be able to claim PURITY is to simply have no standards whatsoever. If there is no standard to meet, then one cannot be pilloried for not meeting that standard. To Liberals, their biggest crime is hypocrisy, and it is what they attempt to accuse their enemies of at every turn. To avoid having the charge leveled against them, all behavior is acceptable. So, this entire construct is just another attempt to place what they hope is a logical and irrefutable grid or framework on their pathetic and dangerous ideology that allows them to codify it, but like everything else they do, it isn't worth the paper it is written on because it is all just hot air. When you refuse the concession that words have meanings, you can make them mean whatever you WANT them to mean, which is what ALL liberal ideologies have in common.
Well, there is much truth in what you say. (I live in Massachusetts, so I know full well that truth you wrote)
I truly don’t think all liberals are evil. But I will say this: there is a significant percentage of them that are well and truly evil.
But I believe there is a far larger portion of liberals who are well meaning, but...ignorant.
I use the rule of threes to classify liberals
In the first class of liberals (the one which many run of the mill liberals I know are classified as) are, for lack of a better term, bleeding heart liberals. Theyre not bad people, theyre not evil people they simply arrive at conclusions based on their emotions. These are the kind of people we can talk to, the kind of people you will sometimes hear say things like: why cant the government make some money available to people who are down on their luck? I view them as being basically good people, but either mis-informed or mal-informed.
The second class of liberals are the moonbats. I dont view these people as being either very intelligent or very thoughtful. Theyre the people who drunk the Kool-Aid, and can recite talking points with fevered faces and bulging eyes. I find these people are impossible to talk to because theyre impervious to logic and reason. They believe what they want to believe, and they believe in it passionately, deeply, and with no element of self introspection involved. These are people who fit the bill of the description Useful Idiots. They are the ones who will scream the loudest in protest when the Marxists and the true believers take over and push the moonbats into the reeducation camps with all the rest of us. But I agree with you! Im not like the rest of these people! Why are you doing this?
The third class of liberals are the true, hard-core believers. They not only know the writings of Saul Alinsky, but understand what his tactics mean and how they are used. They dont believe in the garbage that the moonbats subscribe to. These people believe in raw, unadulterated possession of power. There is no compromise and no negotiation with these people that will be fruitful. These people are true enemies of the American way of life. Most of these people (if not all) hate this country and all it stands for, and wish to see it transformed into their vision under their control. THESE PEOPLE ARE TRULY EVIL, and they will justify it as being “for the greater good”.
“Theyre not bad people, theyre not evil people ”
Sure they are. They support the killing of children via abortion on a whim. That’s evil.
Their bleeding heart BS lead to a number of suicides and thousands of broken homes in the Pacific NW over a bird. They placed the value of their eco religion over human lives.
Now you say that they didn’t think it through or whatever and that’s how many look at it. But I would say to you that when people in Germany didn’t think Hitler through, the result was what? A lot of evil. Today we look at those people as evil because they willfully ignored the truth around them.
I maintain all liberals are at their core, Evil.
“They want to be the ones running the prison and they want everyone else to be prisoners.”
I agree. They are all sorts of personality disordered individuals. I used to read all the psychology stuff, but I’ve been around liberals too long and watched them take over the country by any means possible.
They lie and cheat for power, and hold us to different standards. A great example is the fillibuster. They demanded their rights as the minority, but took ours when they were in power and that’s no big deal to them. Arguments exist only as deflections and blind alleys. They want full power. There is nothing tolerant about them. They are fascists.
Stuff like this article implies that both sides are of goodwill and will play by the rules. That doesn’t happen with them, so who cares why they the way they are?
We can spend a lifetime trying to figure out why they do their illogical harmful things but the basic difference between liberals and conservatives is the issue of control. Liberals love to control others. Conservatives just want to be left the hell alone.
My 2 cents. I draw a distinction between liberals and leftists, and I despair that so many consider the way the two terms are used amount to nothing but a semantic exercise. If by ‘liberal’ you mean ‘leftist,’ I agree with you...they’re evil. They are rapacious people with a totalitarian impulse, who would be happy with the world as a concentration camp as long as they got to be the guards. I regard liberals as naive idealists. They are people who think that there can be a heaven in this world, and look for human gods to give it to them. Liberals are the livestock of cunning leftists. Leftists understand semantics and the use of language much better than conservatives do, which explains why they make such good use of euphemisms like ‘progressive,’ ‘same-sex’ and ‘undocumented.’ It’s also why they are so dominant in academia and the media. Politics to the left is a study and discipline of how to manipulate the opinions and emotions of the greatest number of people...facts be damned.
“No, but they are easily manipulated by those who ARE evil, because ...”
Agree with most of your post but one can either participate in evil or not. The reasons do not matter. Justifications and ignorance do not matter. People saying ‘I didn’t know’ or “I was just following orders” share the responsibility of a given outcome they participated in. The Germans who turned their back on the gassing of the Jews are very much the equivalent of the pusssified men in your example.
They are evil in their actions because they help perpetuate evil. Now one can argue degrees...but evil is evil.
I find that people hate addressing this because they don’t want to say that their liberal ‘friends’ and members of their own families are evil. But it is what it is.
Sorry that we disagree. I don’t agree with your blanket assertion, that is all.
Please don’t take my disagreement personally. I am not saying you can’t believe in that blanket assertion, that is your right. I simply don’t agree with it.
Yup, I mean leftist. I make no distinction simply because I don’t see any ‘liberal’ as we used to know them, stand up and attempt to take their name back from the leftists.
I very much believe words mean things. Today, Liberal and Leftist are the same thing. They willingly merged their belief systems to achieve power over the hated right. So they should be treated...in their preferred term ‘equally’.
I don’t take it personally at all. And I understand your reluctance. It’s not an easy idea to accept. But I ask that you give my posts -serious- thought, as I do everyone reading it. Do your level best to rip the logic behind it apart in your own minds. Seriously, no joke or sarcasm intended.
But I really think that when you remove the emotion of it from the equation and just look at the actual “if/then’ of it, it’s impossible to refute.
Liberals have minds?
the house burns down, the son is arrested for something and the daughter finds out she’s pregnant?
Yup. And it’s all mom and dads fault! (and Bush’s too.)
Thanks for the courteous response...I have been on FR for a while and seen enough personally contentious arguments start that didn’t need to go that way, and didn’t want this discussion to go down that road, so...thanks. I certainly didn’t mean it as an attack on you or your point of view.
I sometimes engage in the exercise of viewing things as a black and white in order to find the endpoints, and then look at where a cleavage point exists along a continuum between the two.
For example, take abortion.
You can take one end of the spectrum and say that once the sperm has penetrated the egg and division occurs, then any action to stop further division is immoral and wrong.
The other end of that spectrum would be people who believe that a pregnancy can be “terminated” at any point from the egg dividing once to the last toe of the infant still being inside the mothers’s body during birth.
Once the two ends have been defined, one can look along that continuum to see where the cleavage point occurs, a rule can be defined, and the system can be converted into a black and white situation, at least from my own viewpoint. On one side, you are against abortion. On the other side, you are for it. It is a cleavage point.
But it isn’t always easy or even possible to do. I have tried to do this with liberals, because I simply don’t think ALL liberals are the same. (I know you disagree with this, but I simply see it differently)
I just cannot always put people who hold a belief in what I might see as as a key liberal trait (be it on immigration, taxes, or the welfare state) in the same class as someone who subscribes to ALL of them, just because I don’t see all issues as being equally damning.
I think you and I are different on this...I am not saying you are wrong and I am right, but I cannot make that leap in the context I described.
And by the way, I did read your entire post...I know you probably get people who read to that point and shut off. I made it a point not to succumb to that.
I’m sorry, this theory is just too kind to progressive/liberal/Democrat philosophy.
I see their philosophy as consisting of 3 things:
B as in Big. Anything big is ok, big government, big labor, big banks. Individuals are small and therefore to be controlled.
H as in Hate. They hate anyone that does not agree with them. Hence they use personal attacks a lot. How often does a liberal call someone a racist?
O as in Oh shut up! If you don’t agree with them, you have no place in the conversation, you are evil. They will use all the tools of government (i.e. the IRS) as well as the media to silence you.
There is no “figuring out the liberal mind”.
Waste of time.
thanks for this post China...
I saw the Ted talk and i think that ‘those’ people
are not true liberal. Ted was talking about reasonable
people who are liberal. Most of what i see of people who
are called liberals are something other than liberal in the true sense.
That is another way to divide it but the gender roles have gone south in our society.
This dichotomy exists in the aborigines of Australia, the Eskimos and everywhere else that Haight has studied.
There are decent liberals who want good for people, but have been brainwashed to think that it is government that needs to do that good. Many eventually wake up and become conservatives. It is the communists that are died in the wool and are very dangerous.
Worth the read, and in a similar vein about motivations and morals.