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Obama Admin Tells Supreme Court: Force Hobby Lobby to Obey HHS Mandate
Life News ^ | Matthew Clark

Posted on 01/14/2014 9:37:14 PM PST by Morgana

If we wanted your religious beliefs on abortion-pill coverage, we’d give them to you appears to be the latest in an untenable string of arguments from the Obama DOJ over the HHS Mandate.

On Friday, the DOJ filed its response to the Supreme Court in the Hobby Lobby case.

Politico has the latest on the DOJ’s arguments:

In arguments filed late Friday, Justice Department lawyers told the court that an employer’s religious beliefs aren’t a legitimate reason to deny something as important as preventive care to an employee who is entitled to it under the health law.

“The connection is too indirect as a matter of law to impose a substantial burden” on employers’ right to practice their religion, the lawyers wrote in their opening argument defending the contraceptive requirement against Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.

The crux of the Obama Administration’s legal argument seems to boil down to two points:

Opposing forced coverage of abortion pills isn’t a legitimate religious belief; and 2) our pro-abortion agenda is far more important than your silly religious beliefs anyway.

If that sounds like an argument to turn the religious liberty protections of our Constitution on its head, that’s because it is. The moment the government can tell us what is and is not an important part of our faith and further that what we consider to be a sin is far too attenuated to actually be real sin in God’s eyes is the moment we have lost our religious liberty.

This argument comes days after Obama’s DOJ attempted to convince the Court that forcing Catholic nuns to pay for abortion pills in no way violated their faith because all they had to do was sign a form and let someone else violate their faith for them.

The absurdity of these arguments is astounding. There is no stronger principle upon which our nation was founded than religious freedom. If the government can say my religious beliefs don’t count, then what religious liberty can we possible have?

The Supreme Court is set to consider this exact question later this year. At the ACLJ, we are preparing to file a brief on behalf of thousands of concerned Americans and our clients (each of which we have put a stop to the mandate for as their cases continue).


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; democrats; hobbylobby; obama; obamacare; prolife; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; religiouspersecution; scotus; zerocare

1 posted on 01/14/2014 9:37:14 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

The bass turd is running both the courts and the Congress now, huh? Sieg heil! Mein Fuhrer!


2 posted on 01/14/2014 9:40:59 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where are Holder's "po folks" getting the I.D.s to sign up for ObamaCare?)
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To: Morgana

They will obey their god.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 9:41:03 PM PST by doc1019
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To: doc1019

Yea but Molech will take them too in the end.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 9:42:34 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

These traitors have to go.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 9:50:00 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Morgana

People can choose their faith or their material goods. The word “No” is a simple concept.

If people believe in God more than government, they can make a choice. It isn’t ‘fair’ nor is it ‘just’. And according to the Constitution, it is one that should NEVER have to be made. But it’s the reality of the situation and depending on what the USSC decides, it is one they WILL be making.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 9:53:13 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Morgana

Equality before the law. Muslims must be treated this way, too.


7 posted on 01/14/2014 9:58:12 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Morgana

Bump for later


8 posted on 01/14/2014 10:05:54 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Morgana
I am absolutely amazed that the Justice Department could find lawyers willing to make their arguments before the Supreme Court.

How could any lawyer that had made any effort at all to study the basis of our constitution make these arguments in good conscience.

I couldn’t make those arguments before the USSC with out breaking out laughing.

Sorry your honors I was just joking.

9 posted on 01/14/2014 10:09:14 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SatinDoll

There should already be a billion lawsuits filed on that issue with the crap going on now.

All the special rights they are afforded are a TOTAL slap to equal protection.


10 posted on 01/14/2014 10:09:35 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: doc1019

“They will obey their god.”

And we will obey ours.


11 posted on 01/14/2014 10:10:54 PM PST by Paulie (Buy local, bank local, exert your influence locally; the left will fold like a cheap suit.)
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To: Pontiac

“I am absolutely amazed that the Justice Department could find lawyers willing to make their arguments before the Supreme Court.”

Today’s leftist lawyers will do anything for money and power.

“How could any lawyer that had made any effort at all to study the basis of our constitution make these arguments in good conscience.”

I don’t think they have a conscience.


12 posted on 01/14/2014 10:14:39 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Morgana

Preventive care prevents diseases. Pregnancy is not a disease.


13 posted on 01/14/2014 10:20:55 PM PST by informavoracious (Root for Obamacare and healthcare.gov failure!)
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To: Morgana

Obama, you ain’t gonna force me to do a damn thing, you stuck up, little b*tch.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 10:21:27 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Morgana

It’s always the same with these punks and their master-mind plans. People have to be made to do what they’re told or the plan fails. The master-mind is a failure but refuses to admit it. Stick your plan you commie puke.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 10:22:21 PM PST by Ray76
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To: Morgana

This argument should have been made the first time it went before the Supreme Court. In fact, the court should have considered religious beliefs from the very beginning. But, not everyone cared what was even in the law.


16 posted on 01/14/2014 10:47:32 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Norm Lenhart

Disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.

Time for defiance on a grand scale.

They will then make that last mistake and we will be justified to do what is necessary in our defense.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 10:52:45 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pontiac

Lawyers do not necessary have to let conscious get in the way of making an argument about the law. Some have consciouses. Some don’t. Similar to any other trade. Except some have argued that the law selectively attracts those lacking consciouses, so the percentages may be negatively skewed?


18 posted on 01/14/2014 11:30:15 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Norm Lenhart
There should already be a billion lawsuits filed on that issue with the crap going on now.

My guess is there are. But we won't hear about them until the mainstream media decides they can ignore them no longer.

19 posted on 01/14/2014 11:37:01 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: Morgana

Talk about a slippery slope. They’re hellbent on destroying everything we hold dear. Absolutely everything.


20 posted on 01/14/2014 11:59:59 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: Morgana

The Supreme Court is on the edge of the cliff this time. Agree with the Department of ‘Justice’ and they will have thrown away their legitimacy.

And by that I mean that the citizens of the United States can now say that the contract between the states and the Federal Government has now been broken. And no one knows where that will lead us next.

Disagree with Obama and the DOJ may mean personal destruction for themselves. It’s not a good place to be I think.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 2:11:11 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Morgana

good moring Morgana,
After Roberts I have NO confidence in this supreme court or any other aspect or the federal gubmint.
Under obammy the federals have become little more than a well armed mafia.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 3:05:34 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Morgana

And Americans voted for this. Twice.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 3:40:11 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Morgana

This is perversion of our system of justice.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 3:46:18 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The rule of law, separation of powers, etc - who needs them?


25 posted on 01/15/2014 3:54:40 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: Morgana

apparently Americans’ “inalienable rights” spring from the party that holds the WH and the Majority in the Senate


26 posted on 01/15/2014 3:54:57 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

This is Hitler all over again! Does the Nazi party in the U.S. realize that Obama is their most effective member? Obama is definitely a Nazi!


27 posted on 01/15/2014 4:42:04 AM PST by abclily
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To: chris37

Stuck-up little Nazi.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 4:43:19 AM PST by abclily
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To: Morgana

There’s that word “burden” again. Remind me again who said that.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 5:17:33 AM PST by bgill
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To: Morgana

An remember the idiot Stupak.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/04/Stupak-President-Played-Me-with-Obamacare-Deal


30 posted on 01/15/2014 5:40:39 AM PST by bestintxas (Obamacare = Obamascrewed)
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To: Morgana

I have a better suggestion for the Supremes They should force Congress to IMPEACH Obama That would be a remedy that would serve the greater good.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 6:25:00 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Morgana
The owners of Hobby Lobby go to the church I grew up in. They are very genuine people. They are what they say they are. What no one mentions is that they also own a chain called Mardel's Christian Book Stores. Mr. Green (owner) has stated that if necessary they will close all 400 Hobby Lobby stores across the country. This is truly a deal breaker for them.

Pray the court does the right thing.

32 posted on 01/15/2014 6:30:30 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: Morgana

I have no doubt they will follow orders from headquarters.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 7:29:46 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: informavoracious
Pregnancy is not a disease.

Amen!

Justice Department lawyers told the court that an employer’s religious beliefs aren’t a legitimate reason to deny something as important as preventive care to an employee who is entitled to it under the health law.

And abortion/abortion pill isn't a preventative....the pregnancy has already happened. Life has begun.

But, I guess in 0's sick mind it (abortion/abortion pill) prevents the "entitled" from being "punished with a baby".

34 posted on 01/15/2014 7:44:50 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: kjam22

I’ve never met the Greens but I have respect for them or anyone that does against abortion. We do have a Hobby Lobby store in West Virginia, it is located in Barboursville. Nice place and cool people.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 9:14:39 AM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: faithhopecharity

I think you meant “consciences”, but I wholeheartedly agree.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 10:11:21 AM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Nothing does more damage to the left than an honest election.")
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To: kjam22
Mr. Green (owner) has stated that if necessary they will close all 400 Hobby Lobby stores across the country. This is truly a deal breaker for them.

I'll make a prediction based on this cabal's tyrannical MarxoFascism:

If SCOTUS rules for Obama (and I think they will), and if Mr. Green decides to close his stores rather than comply with evil - then Holder will sue him and the petition will come for the government to take over the stores themselves ala a Receivership.

We're dealing with wholesale tyrannical evil here in this regime. Defiance will be met with harsh punishment. Know the time, and Count the cost.

37 posted on 01/15/2014 1:17:54 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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38 posted on 01/15/2014 9:57:37 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ?............................ Enforce the Bill of Rights............ It's the LAW !!!)
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