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Carthaginians sacrificed own children, archaeologists say
Past Horizons ^ | Wednesday, January 22, 2014 | Maev Kennedy for The Guardian

Posted on 01/23/2014 5:51:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: WMarshal
Everyone moans about the beatdown that the Spanish Conquistadors dealt the Aztecs but that is only because the modern mind cannot conceive the depravity of the Aztec empire.

The Conquistadors were helped by the smaller tribes who were sick of being the slaves of the Aztecs.

41 posted on 01/23/2014 8:39:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: dfwgator

Great soliloquy from a great movie.


42 posted on 01/23/2014 8:39:32 PM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Ciexyz

is that based on a real story?


43 posted on 01/23/2014 8:43:07 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
Yes.

Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia.

There are variations on whether he actually did it or not but there appears to be no contention on that he was willing to do so.

44 posted on 01/23/2014 8:50:24 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Caipirabob

bttt


45 posted on 01/23/2014 8:53:05 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Carthage was a civilzation of evil. God may very well have used the Romans to do His will: killing them off, and salting the ground so that Carthage could never return.

They worshiped Baal, and Hanibal, the general that so terrified the Romans, his name means “Beloved of Baal”.


46 posted on 01/23/2014 9:30:26 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: GeronL; SunkenCiv; All

I may be wrong, but wasn’t it someone other than a Spartan who sacrificed his daughter (Iphegenia sp?)before the departure to Troy (Agamemnon?). I believe this was a motive for his wife to destroy him.


47 posted on 01/23/2014 10:41:30 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: WMarshal; All

Of course, the torture and fires of the Inquisition were soft and fuzzy. Also, the fact that the Tlaxcallans were Cortez’s allies against the Aztecs, since they were tired of being the “bread” of the Aztecs did not prevent Spaniards from mistreating and robbing them over the centuries.


48 posted on 01/23/2014 10:47:36 PM PST by gleeaikin
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Here are opposite numbers from the FRchives:
49 posted on 01/24/2014 2:58:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: GeronL

All ancient societies had a problem with infant mortality, and with the mothers dying in labor. The Carthaginians and Phoenicians were unique in this creepy practice of sacrificing their own children to some blood-hungry deity. OTOH, we see a big test for Abraham who’s told to sacrifice his son Isaac just to see if he’s truly obedient, and then told to stop.


50 posted on 01/24/2014 3:03:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: JoeDetweiler

That’s an interesting denial, and that’s exactly what the issue is in the first place — the Carthaginian practice was denied for many years on no basis whatsoever.


51 posted on 01/24/2014 3:06:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: dfwgator

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/543355/posts


52 posted on 01/24/2014 3:12:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s the other way around — the history book writes the winner.


53 posted on 01/24/2014 3:17:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SuziQ

They had a spot (still there, obviously) called “the place of rejection”. The high-end citizens would meet there, inspect the baby, and “vote him off the island” if not “perfect”. They just hurled the infant to his death. Members of the two royal houses were by and large not put through this, and none of the girl babies. The goal was to maintain the fitness of the master race which made up the army and ruled the whole area. There were no walled settlements allowed, and no weapons allowed among those under the thumb of Sparta.


54 posted on 01/24/2014 3:26:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Mikey_1962

They brought the practice with them from Tyre.


55 posted on 01/24/2014 3:29:57 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: SunkenCiv


56 posted on 01/24/2014 3:31:55 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: gleeaikin

His wife was an adulteress and gold-digger.

Agamemnon didn’t want to make amends with Diana (the Greeks were being kept from departure for Troy) and balked at the sacrifice, so Odysseus cooked up a deception. It’s a story with a lot of variations which probably reflect the otherwise obscured theological struggles of classical Greeks. In one version she isn’t willing to be sacrificed and her mouth is stuffed with cloth to keep her from hurling a last-minute curse on her own family. In another, she’s spirited away to become a priestess of Diana just before she’s sacrificed.

http://www.stanford.edu/~plomio/iphigenia.html


57 posted on 01/24/2014 3:41:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks JPB.


58 posted on 01/24/2014 3:42:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (;http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Excellent point.

This is extrapolated into our society for individuals such that any criminal who produces something that can be portrayed as of literary or artistic merit somehow therefore becomes less of a criminal and should be immediately released.


59 posted on 01/24/2014 5:54:59 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: SunkenCiv
They brought the practice with them from Tyre.

There is, BTW, little or no archaeological evidence for this practice in Phoenicia or Israel.

60 posted on 01/24/2014 6:00:17 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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