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What Gibson Guitars Did with the Wood the Government Returned
American Thinker ^ | 2/2/2014 | Victor Keith

Posted on 02/02/2014 6:10:36 AM PST by rktman

In 2011, the Department of Justice conducted raids on the Tennessee facilities of the famed Gibson Guitar company and confiscated large quantities of tonewood that had been imported from India and Madagascar. The action included armed SWAT teams, with automatic weapons, who apparently feared being garroted with a guitar string by an enraged Gibson employee. These raids were conducted due to the Lacey Act, which bans the importing of certain woods. The issue at hand was not that the wood was endangered or illegally harvested, but that it was not of the proper thickness that would have meant that some labor had been performed on it by workers in India and Madagascar.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: gangreen; gibsonguitars; guitars
Man do I wish I still had my Black Les Paul. I like the neck stamp that Gibson placed on the guitars with the "suspected" tonewood. Thumb in the eye? ;>}
1 posted on 02/02/2014 6:10:37 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Heard owner ceo where donors to the GOP


2 posted on 02/02/2014 6:14:07 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: ronnie raygun

Yup. A sudden audit by one of the alphabet orgs the govt oversight council controls? Hmmmmmm!


3 posted on 02/02/2014 6:17:39 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

From this incident, I learned that I should pick Gibson over Martin.


4 posted on 02/02/2014 6:19:39 AM PST by Pharmer1
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To: rktman

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.”
(1984


This is what the government has become; nothing more than a protection racket. Pay your protection money to the Democrat Mob of “somthin’ bad might happen to youse bidness”.


5 posted on 02/02/2014 6:20:45 AM PST by Flick Lives (Got a problem with the government? Have a complaint. Get a free IRS audit!)
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To: Pharmer1

Here’s a link from Gibson featuring the Govt. Model and a nice little description of what lead to it’s manufacture. Hheheh!

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Government-Series-II-Les-Paul.aspx


6 posted on 02/02/2014 6:25:31 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: ronnie raygun

That is probably the case.

Remember all the car dealers that were put out of business?


7 posted on 02/02/2014 6:29:11 AM PST by Texas resident
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To: rktman

I see the liberal whiners are out in full force in the comments section.


8 posted on 02/02/2014 6:29:47 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Texas resident

Pay backs will be hell


9 posted on 02/02/2014 6:31:15 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: rktman

Incidentally, the Government Modles sold out within a few weeks. I would love to have a Government Modle Flying V, but I found out about the, too late.


10 posted on 02/02/2014 6:31:43 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Salamander

Whaaa right? I looked at the Gibson site and it looks like they also have an Explorer, SG and Flying V Govt models available too. Me likey.

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars.aspx


11 posted on 02/02/2014 6:33:18 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: bk1000

So all the rebels beat us too them huh? Were background checks done? Does the nsa have the names of the rebel forces that obtained these as an assault on the feds? Dang the slow response time in getting one. Wonder if the prices are going to go up on these “collector” models? ;>}


12 posted on 02/02/2014 6:35:57 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Have you no conscience or soul, man??

Think of all the frogs and crap that will die screaming if you buy one!!!

[I don’t know how anybody could write that with a straight face]

Hope you get one soon...:)


13 posted on 02/02/2014 6:42:08 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rktman

Wow...this one is like a steampunk work of art!

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-USA/Les-Paul-Recording.aspx


14 posted on 02/02/2014 6:43:37 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Flick Lives
This is what the government has become; nothing more than a protection racket.

Lawless 0merica

15 posted on 02/02/2014 6:45:06 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Salamander

Die from.............? Cranking the Marshall stack up to 11 and lettin’ those super hot pickups blaze away? LOL! No room at the Inn and I think someone already mentioned they are all gone now anyway. Sigh......... ;>}


16 posted on 02/02/2014 6:46:43 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

“The issue at hand was not that the wood was endangered or illegally harvested, but that it was not of the proper thickness that would have meant that some labor had been performed on it by workers in India and Madagascar.”

No, that is most certainly NOT the issue.

The issue was - and is - that the owners of Gibson are conservatives who oppose Obama’s Marxist programs and the socialist transformation of America.


17 posted on 02/02/2014 6:49:50 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Salamander

Nice industrial look. Reminds me of my 2nd electric guitar. Had 4 knobs and 6 slider switches. Fun trying to figure out which one did what. Now it’s two tone, one volume and a 3/5 position switch.


18 posted on 02/02/2014 6:49:55 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Isn’t there a second generation on the way?

Pre-pay.

Damn the screaming frogs.

;D


19 posted on 02/02/2014 6:50:34 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Jack Hammer

Regardless, someone had wood.


20 posted on 02/02/2014 6:50:55 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

It’s so purty.

I wonder how many Slash has bought?


21 posted on 02/02/2014 6:53:48 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rktman
What an ugly color for a guitar!

But somehow it's appropriate. They match the millions of GSA-issue desks and cabinets that are lined up in government offices across the land, manned by incompetent drones, with no other purpose in life than to cause trouble for working citizens and the people that employ them.


22 posted on 02/02/2014 6:54:41 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Salamander

I think he probably has the custom shop build his. As for a 2nd run, I thought they only had a limited amount of wood. Maybe they need to have another batch confiscated first.


23 posted on 02/02/2014 6:55:38 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
After spending nearly two and half million dollars in legal fees and paying a $300,000 fine, the government has settled with Gibson and has finally returned the confiscated tonewood.

I read elsewhere that it was Gibson that paid the fine.

24 posted on 02/02/2014 6:59:53 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

LOL! Probably so. Ya think the govt pays for anything? The taxpayers pay for everything.


25 posted on 02/02/2014 7:04:50 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

I’m just so sick of reading things that are poorly written. It’s bad enough when the comments are full of the misuse of “lead” in place of “led,” but when the professional writers have such poor command of the language, I wonder why they chose a profession that’s all about language.


26 posted on 02/02/2014 7:12:29 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: rktman
"Gibson, who hand-makes its guitars, cannot guarantee the craftsmanship of its products if a portion of the work is done outside their facilities."???

Somebody has to fell the trees/limbs and buck the logs. Not to speak of growing the trees.

27 posted on 02/02/2014 7:16:23 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: rktman

28 posted on 02/02/2014 7:19:41 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: BykrBayb

29 posted on 02/02/2014 7:21:11 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: rktman
The prominently displayed eagle on the pickguard of the Explorer is quite something.


30 posted on 02/02/2014 7:21:54 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: BykrBayb

Apparently editors are no longer required. There, their, they’re. LOL! ;>}


31 posted on 02/02/2014 7:25:12 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman
I am a proud owner of a Gibson Hummingbird and have had Gibsons in the past. Started playing when I was nine...Gibson is the best of all the many guitars I've owned and played. I currently have seven guitars. My Hummingbird is the best.

FMCDH(BITS)

32 posted on 02/02/2014 7:57:58 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: rktman

I doubt the prices will go up much. These don’t seem to be TOO highly regarded. (Sadly, a lot of lib guitarists out there) The price did go from an original sales price of around $800 to about $1200 immediately after they sold out, but I have heard nothing recently. Initially there were the Les Paul, Explorer, and Flying V, and they were pretty cool, IMO. The one in the article seems to be a new one, the “series II”. Looks like a cheaper issue. I doubt I’ll be buying one. Would love to find the first government edition V though!


33 posted on 02/02/2014 8:01:31 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Fresh Wind

A rows buy any other name.


34 posted on 02/02/2014 8:27:51 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: rktman

There knot?


35 posted on 02/02/2014 8:29:06 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Salamander
A long time ago, in a band far, far away, a friend had one of the original LP Recordings, and it was the second heaviest guitar I ever played, after this friend's Travis Beam! Incredibly low noise and clear tone, but very low output, even when switched into "Hi Z mode," made it hard to overdrive an amp. On the other hand, it could sound amazingly NOT like a Les Paul, like a strat or even Rickenbacker while playing "clean."

Mark

36 posted on 02/02/2014 9:49:57 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rktman
First sentence of the article:

In 2011, the Department of Justice conducted raids on the Tennessee facilities of the famed Gibson Guitar company and confiscated large quantities of tonewood that had been imported from India and Madagascar.

Wrong. The Madascar ebony was seized in a 2009 raid. The East Indian rosewood and ebony were seized in 2011, the 'large quantities' at the Dallas airport.

Fourth sentence:

The issue at hand was not that the wood was endangered or illegally harvested, but that it was not of the proper thickness that would have meant that some labor had been performed on it by workers in India and Madagascar.
Wrong. The issue at hand with the Madagascar ebony was precisely that it had been illegally harvested by Roger Thunam and was under government seizure.

One issue at hand with the Indian wood was existing U.S. Customs law about whether raw fingerboard blanks were considered finished or unfinished. The existing U.S. law said they were unfinished, based upon a customs ruling Gibson itself sought in 60/61 to avoid paying a tariff on finished products.

With so many errors in the first four sentences, I hated to read on, but I can tell you the author is repeating blog posts and Gibson's press releases, and has not done his research.

37 posted on 02/02/2014 10:07:05 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Scoutmaster

I agree. A lot of the “article” didn’t fit with some of the earlier info. Regardless, I like to see that Gibson is poking them in the eye a little bit with the (supposedly) sold out run of Govt. “models”.


38 posted on 02/02/2014 10:10:08 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: rktman

Outstanding!


39 posted on 02/02/2014 10:23:04 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rktman

I think, that for a Les Paul, it’s FUGLY! The color is blah. I’ll stick with my ‘57 Strat. Never been too crazy about hum bucking pickups either.
But,,,, good for Gibson!


40 posted on 02/02/2014 10:26:46 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: BykrBayb
It’s bad enough when the comments are full of the misuse of “lead” in place of “led,

My favorite is "loose" for "lose".

41 posted on 02/02/2014 10:56:28 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: rktman

I’m a little surprised anyone has yet to mention the word, shudder, Fender, in this conversation. I just picked up an American standard Strat with a rosewood fretboard in seafoam green (not Jeff Beck model)and it rules. There are choices.


42 posted on 02/02/2014 12:05:40 PM PST by slouper
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To: slouper

Despite the politics of the whole mess, my strats all have maple neck/fret boards. My old Epiphone (circa ‘65) has a GASP! Brazilian rosewood fret board. Don’t have the receipt any longer so I best not take it out of the country out of fear of having it, uh, liberated upon my return. ;>}


43 posted on 02/02/2014 12:20:19 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: KevinB

I was just reading comments on the latest Coke video. Coke went out of its way to insult Americans. One of the comments about the assault on our language was very good, until the last sentence. “We are loosing our American language and culture.” We are doomed.


44 posted on 02/02/2014 7:14:18 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
We are loosing our American language and culture

LOL!

45 posted on 02/02/2014 7:52:23 PM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: rktman

Yah, Rktman, I surfed over there. The Government series is cool. I’d get the Les Paul version for the sustaaaiiiinnnnnnnnn. :-)


46 posted on 02/02/2014 11:42:13 PM PST by Pharmer1
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