Nuclear fusion hits energy milestone

CBC News ^ | Feb 12, 2014 | Emily Chung,

[cripplecreek]

Well Thor trashed the rainbow bridge so we hadda do something.

[Kevmo]

If we had spent those hundreds of $billions on ice bridges rather than the CHF Fraud, at least we would have some kind of ice bridges. Instead we got nuthin. Hundreds of $billions of nuthin.

[Fightin Whitey]

When I have a look into these clusterfights I begin to understand the etymology of morass.

[Fred Hayek]

Here’s the problem with inertial confinement. Even if a pulse hit break even, it will be a while until the system can fire the next pulse. There is a lot of residual heat left in the neodynium glass rods used in the lasers, and that heat has to be dissipated before the next firing. There have also been incidents where a mere speck of dust on a glass rod shatters when the xenon flashtube goes off to excite the glass into lasing. There are also tremendous stresses on the capacitors used to fire the flashtubes, and capacitors have been known to explode (these are big capacitors).
The inertial confinement devices at Lawrence Livermore are more for testing and verifying weapons physics.

[Nuc 1.1]

BE/A curve says there is energy in them there atoms. Interesting that laser technology appears to be leading the way.

[Kevmo]

Here’s the problem with inertial confinement.
***The problem with such confinement systems is that you’re trying to confine atoms on 6 degrees of movement at one single time.

It would be simpler to attempt confinement of one or 2 degrees of movement rather than all 6. That’s the difference between Cold Fusion, where the hydrogen atoms are already being confined in a metallic cage, and plasma fusion, where there is zero confinement to start with.

[Kevmo]

Hundreds of $billions of nuthin.
***Hundreds of $billions of fraud.

[BlueStateRightist]

Let the free market decide. If either method has promise (scientifically and economically) I’m sure one of the oil companies or some other deep-pocketed concern will take notice and either buy or replicate the process. Until then it’s all unicorns.

[Kevmo]

The problem is that it is TAX dollars that have been sucked down the CHF fraud hole. Cold Fusion is almost entirely private money. That isn’t a free market.

[Kevmo]

Cold Fusion is 25 ORDERS of MAGNITUDE better bang for the buck. ----------------------------------------------------- I need to update these figures. I realized I have been comparing OverUnity Apples to UnderUnity Oranges. Up until this week, Controlled Hot Fusion (CHF) experiments haven't even broken overunity, let alone ignition. Nuclear fusion hits energy milestone http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/nuclear-fusion-hits-energy-milestone-1.2534140 "The final reaction took place in a tiny "hot spot" about half the width of a human hair over about a ten thousandth of a millionth of a second. It released 17.3 kilojoules – almost double the amount absorbed by the fuel." look again at the two side by side: cold fusion 2 * 3600 seconds average * 1/2* 300 Mjoules (Max) * 14,700 replications / $300k average = 105840 sec*MjouleSamples/$ Hot fusion 0.5 seconds*10^-9 average * 1/2* 17.3KK joules (max) * 20 replications / $2 Billion average = 0.0000000000000000003 sec*MjouleSamples/$ That is now 25 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more bang for the buck. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: It does not make sense to compare AVErage to MAXimum, anyways, because it depends upon having access to so much data that one can take the average of it. So I'm going to revise this aspect of the Bang4TheBuck calculation into 1/2 the maximum. One half of 300MJ is 150MJ. One half of 6MJ is 3MJ. Until we hear otherwise and need to revise it, shaving off an order of magnitude here or there. That doesn't change the fact that LENR is 12 orders of magnitude more bang for the buck than hot fusion. look at the two side by side: cold fusion 2 * 3600 seconds average * 300 Mjoules (Max) * 14,700 replications / $300k average = 105840 sec*MjouleSamples/$ Hot fusion 0.5 seconds average * 6 Mjoules (max) * 20 replications / $2 Billion average = 0.00000003 sec*MjouleSamples/$ That is now 14 ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more bang for the buck. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Kevin O'Malley wrote: Controlled Hot-Fusion has generated more energy for longer sustained periods. Until a few years ago the PPPL held the world record. 10 MW for about 0.6 s. (6 MJ). I think some other Tokamak topped that by a wide margin, but I am not sure. ***The average cold fusion experiment generates several hundred megajoules for several hours and costs maybe $300k. No, the average experiment generates a megajoule or two at most. Only a few have generated 10 to 300 MJ. - Jed

[Kevmo]

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[Kevmo]

Let the free market decide.
***That doesn't appear to even be the case here on FR. The mods pull 'flamewar' threads for cold fusion but don't pull obvious hot-fusion threads that are flamewars as well, such as this one.

What causes the anomalous excess heat? An hypothesis.

- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3122363/posts
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Kevmo to *ATOMIC_PUNK*

Inability to want to comprehend?
***That would describe Skeptopaths PERFECTLY.

Active denial of giving a damn about 14000 replications?
***Yup. Anti-Science Luddites would be a perfect description of such an attitude.

Paycheck-poor feet-In-The-Sand Attitude?
***Simply reaching at this point. PissPoor Attitude would make a better representation, with the Piss pouring down your feet into the sand.

Simply Intellectually tired of caring !
***Anti-Science Luddites. They don't care, they can't be bothered to care, they don't want to care but yet they still log onto these threads!!!!
What an amazing display of vigorous ignorance!!!

Yea that about covers it ! ***Yup. The AdamHenry*BandWagon index is high for CHF, low for cold fusion. You seagulls have demonstrated that over and over again.
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