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To: Sherman Logan

Historically, parts of Ukraine have been parts of other countries just over the last few hundreds years. So any current borders don’t have any solid historical past anyway.

And the US has no freaking business to mess with it imho; especially with the commie/moslem freaks in DC.


38 posted on 03/01/2014 10:42:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Historically, parts of Ukraine have been parts of other countries just over the last few hundreds years. So any current borders don’t have any solid historical past anyway.

True...Much of Western Ukraine was Polish before the war, the Soviets kicked the Poles out. Lwów jest Polski!

41 posted on 03/01/2014 10:51:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: little jeremiah
parts of Ukraine have been parts of other countries just over the last few hundreds years. So any current borders don’t have any solid historical past anyway.

A really peculiar argument for an American to make, given our own history. Kind of takes away any American right to complain about "Hispanics" wanting to reunify "Aztlan."

The Crimea, notably, was part of Russia till the 50s, when Kruschev handed it off to Ukraine as a nationalist sop. Since both Russia and Ukraine were under the thumb of the Soviet Communist Party, it was difficult at the time to see how it might make any difference.

Ooops.

It should be noted that in Eastern Europe (Poland, Baltics, Ukraine, Russia, eastern Germany, etc.), which is a giant plain, there are NO "natural boundaries," and none of the present boundaries have any "solid historical past." Using "historical boundaries" as definitive necessarily involves never-ending conflict, since they all overlap. For instance, Poland (or Poland-Lithuania) used to include much of the Ukraine and western Russia, all of the Baltics, etc.

It should also be noted that this was exactly the reasoning Hitler used (quite accurately) as justification for his invasion of Poland, a country only 20 years old at the time, a little newer than Ukraine is now. It incorporated land that had previously been part of Germany for many centuries and the inhabitants of which wanted to return to the Fatherland.

And the US has no freaking business to mess with it imho

I quite agree. I don't believe I've ever said otherwise.

43 posted on 03/01/2014 11:49:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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