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How Bad Directions (And A Sandwich) Started World War I
NPR ^ | March 06, 2014

Posted on 03/06/2014 3:10:44 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 03/06/2014 3:10:44 PM PST by nickcarraway
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The rising German Empire and the Kaiser’s ambitions were on an inevitable collision course with the more established Powers.

Russia was developing very rapidly and closing the gap between itself and Germany. When Russia reached developed status, Germany would be surrounded by enemies fully capable of resisting her.

(He never realized his isolated position was largely his own doing. Bismarck generally remained on good terms with everybody but the French, keeping them the isolated nation.)

The Germans, probably accurately, thought they had reached their pinnacle of relative power and the correlation of forces would only move against them in future years.

IOW, it was now or never. Strike for world dominance or accept inevitable decline.

From this POV, FF’s getting bumped off was only the spark. If it hadn’t been him, something else would have sparked the war in the next year or so.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 3:18:04 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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What if WWI had never happened? Why, Russian wouldn't be Communist and neither would China, Japan would be a friend of the U.S., Germany would dominate western Europe through its population and its economy, The U.S. would be decreasing its armed forces down to bare necessity, Russia's foreign policy would be alarming Poland, there would be no Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia, the Muslims would still be keeping slaves, and everybody would hate the Jews.

Hey, wait a minute...

3 posted on 03/06/2014 3:18:30 PM PST by Billthedrill
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Europe was a tinderbox full of explosives and gasoline. The war would have happened regardless. The Kaiser wanted an empire. The British wanted to stop him. But those were just two of the players. The Austro-Hungarian Empire was on the verge of revolution. Muslims were ready to revolt. The Turkish empire was tottering, killing more and more people to keep itself alive. If it hadn’t been Ferdinand it would have been something else.

The Kaiser probably changed his mind, but his directions were not delivered and entreaties to him were kept from him by his aides who wanted war. Somebody once said that a fatal accident is almost never just one failure or incident. It’s the end result of several failures or incidents.

Recall, that there had been numerous European wars recently past. Frenchmen are still dying to this day from shells fired during the 1871 Franco-Prussian war. So, World War one is just a continuation of other events that started in 1810 or so. (Or, earlier, if you want to go back to the French revolution.)

No one thing could have stopped world war one. Probably no ten things or hundred changes to history could have prevented it. It might have taken longer, but it would still have happened.


4 posted on 03/06/2014 3:23:17 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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World War II was like a continuation of World War I. The Cold War was about the terms of the end of World War II. It can be argued that the war that started in 1914 did not end until the last Soviet troops pulled out of Germany in 1994. All of this because of a sandwich.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 3:27:01 PM PST by forgotten man
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“What if WWI had never happened? Why, Russian wouldn’t be Communist and neither would China,”

I have to disagree. Even America was turning communist. The intelligencia thought it a good idea. FDR was lauded by Hitler and Mussolini. The entire US University system was becoming communist. Most people thought that it would be easy to just give entitlements away. We got Social Security because FDR was trying to one-up a Louisiana politician who wanted to run against him on the plan of giving everybody a wage from the government. So, communism was going to happen. It didn’t have the same impact here as in Russia and Germany because everybody had guns.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 3:27:54 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Billthedrill

Nicely played.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 3:29:00 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Gen.Blather

Most of that was a carefully-phrased joke. I was trying to work in turbans being worn in Istanbul but it just wasn’t coming...


8 posted on 03/06/2014 3:29:59 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: forgotten man

That damn Jerod and his 5 dollar foot longs.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 3:31:32 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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Sorry. I did recognize some humor, but I took the first part as serious. I’ve read a lot on WW1 lately. (Don’t ask why. It started with Walter Lippmann’s “Public Opinion” and just out of control. I’m feeling the urge to build zeppelins now...)


10 posted on 03/06/2014 3:32:46 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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It was all faked. The royal couple was hustled out of the area, put on a ship and spent the next six years on the French Riviera. They were located there by a Lithuanian waiter who was later credited with causing Latvia to bomb Pearl Harbor using German Stuka’s.


11 posted on 03/06/2014 3:34:33 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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Although not entirely accurate, I like this take on the ham sandwich;

Adult language warning.

http://www.cracked.com/article_17298_6-random-coincidences-that-created-modern-world.html


12 posted on 03/06/2014 3:35:21 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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The plot that killed the Archduke was very widespread. There were 6 killers assigned, plus their supervisor. Each was supposed to make an independent attempt. It covered several eventualities. Before Princip got in his shot three others had had their opportunities but failed.

That Princip succeeded almost by accident is no accident, overall. The odds were against the Archduke.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 3:38:23 PM PST by buwaya
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the Bolshevik Party's October Revolution fails.

Roll forward to January 2008 and Barack 0bama, a young high school teacher, is watching President Sara Palin being inaugurated as President.

14 posted on 03/06/2014 3:45:47 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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How would no WWI make the U.S. election cycle a year earlier?


15 posted on 03/06/2014 3:50:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: forgotten man
All of this because of a sandwich.

A place near me makes a 16" italian sausage and cappicola sub with peppers that might just be worth another world war.

16 posted on 03/06/2014 3:53:48 PM PST by PGR88
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I once saw a comic strip about a man who owned a time machine and realized he had a library book that was overdue. He thought he could avoid paying the fine by having his time machine take him back a few days in time so he could return the book before the due date.

However, on the machine’s control panel, he set the date and place of his destination wrong and wound up in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914—right at the spot where Archdduke Ferdinand confronted Gavrilo Princip. As he got out of the machine and tried to get his bearings, Princip fired his shot, but the bullet hit the book that the library patron was holding, and the Archduke drove away.

Dejected that his book was now ruined and that he would have to pay a replacement fee in addition to the fine, the man got back into his machine and headed back to the present. But when he got there, he found that by saving the Archduke’s life, he had changed the course of history and that Canada now ruled the world.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 3:56:13 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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Let me guess, it was on a Kaiser Roll...


18 posted on 03/06/2014 4:02:42 PM PST by nickcarraway
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D’oh!! Time travel?


19 posted on 03/06/2014 4:04:16 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: buwaya
The plot that killed the Archduke was very widespread. There were 6 killers assigned, plus their supervisor. Each was supposed to make an independent attempt. It covered several eventualities. Before Princip got in his shot three others had had their opportunities but failed. That Princip succeeded almost by accident is no accident, overall. The odds were against the Archduke.

Or perhaps the driver taking the route that brings him right to the assassin, and stopping right in front of him, was no accident.

20 posted on 03/06/2014 4:10:09 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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