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How does Mozilla make their money?
4/4/14 | fwdude

Posted on 04/04/2014 8:12:08 PM PDT by fwdude

Just wanted to get up to speed on how these outfits operate, from people in the know. Banners? Clicks? What?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: brendaneich; california; homosexualagenda; mozilla

1 posted on 04/04/2014 8:12:08 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Ads... and apparently now AIDS


2 posted on 04/04/2014 8:13:03 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

Good one.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 8:13:22 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Simple ... advertising, advertising that Adblock defeats. LOL!


4 posted on 04/04/2014 8:14:42 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: fwdude

In 2011 Mozilla had a revenue of US$163.5 million, with 85% of this sum from Google. Google pays them to set Google as the default search engine in Firefox.


5 posted on 04/04/2014 8:18:24 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: RightGeek

Follow the dollar. Google is pro-extinctionist.


6 posted on 04/04/2014 8:20:47 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

So no google. Use bing?


7 posted on 04/04/2014 8:33:06 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: RightGeek

Mozilla would dry-up if it weren’t for Google.


8 posted on 04/04/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RightGeek

What happens if everyone changed their default to Scroogle or duck duck go! Search engines?


9 posted on 04/04/2014 8:43:07 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Linda Frances

Bing is MS, use Scroogle or Duck Duck Go


10 posted on 04/04/2014 8:43:51 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Linda Frances

>>So no google. Use bing?

There’s little ideological difference between the two companies, but personally I do think Google is more extreme left than MS.

The search results are also just about the same, but I prefer the Bing layout. So I switched to Bing about 6 months ago and have no plans to switch back.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 8:46:10 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: GeronL

There’s also Ixquick.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 8:50:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: fwdude

https://www.startpage.com/


13 posted on 04/04/2014 8:59:38 PM PDT by cutty
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To: fwdude

Mozilla, the MSNBC of internet browsers.


14 posted on 04/04/2014 9:02:41 PM PDT by stratboy
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To: stratboy
Mozilla, the MSNBC of internet browsers.

Except that Firefox works...

15 posted on 04/04/2014 9:15:30 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: Wingy
Except that Firefox works...

It leaks memory, and it's kinda a memory-hog — I wish they'd have used Ada or Eiffel in their rewrite.


Ada — known for its use in safety-critical systems, has a reputation for high-reliability systems because of its type-system.
Eiffel — Known for being the preeminent Design-by-Contract language, giving a lot of thought to interfaces.

16 posted on 04/04/2014 9:23:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GeronL; cdt

Thanks!


17 posted on 04/04/2014 9:36:54 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: Linda Frances

DuckDuckGo, for those who don’t want their searches stored/tracked.


18 posted on 04/04/2014 9:37:50 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

Thanks!


19 posted on 04/04/2014 9:39:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: fwdude

Volume.


20 posted on 04/04/2014 9:57:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: RightGeek
In 2011 Mozilla had a revenue of US$163.5 million

It looks like that number almost doubled in 2012.

https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/Mozilla_Audited_Financials_2012.pdf

21 posted on 04/04/2014 10:34:09 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: OneWingedShark

just switched over to Opera to give it a go and it seems to work just fine... has a debugger built in and has add-ons like ghostery and lastpass for those that use them.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 12:08:58 AM PDT by willyd (I for one welcome our NSA overlords)
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To: Linda Frances

Ixquick.com is probable the most private search engine now.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 1:48:29 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: stratboy
Mozilla, the MSNBC of internet browsers.

Firefox with privacy add-ons is best browser I have found. I even can get Google blocking add-ons (Google disconnect). Facebook ad blocks that work (no ads for me). Twitter blocks. Just a whole slew of great ways to customize it to tailor even this ole privacy nut.

24 posted on 04/05/2014 1:53:25 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: ShadowAce

Tech ping


25 posted on 04/05/2014 3:31:25 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: RightGeek

Google pays them to set Google as the default search engine in Firefox.

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I have now switched to Opera, at the suggestion of a FReeper on a thread this week about the Gaystapo’s forcing Mozilla’s CEO to resign.

So far, so good, however, I cannot get rid of “Google” even though I thought I had uninstalled. It pops up on the page every time. Not the least bit tech savvy, so could you please help. Thanks.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 3:47:54 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Linda Frances

I use DuckDuckGo now because they do not follow you.


27 posted on 04/05/2014 3:48:52 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

28 posted on 04/05/2014 4:30:58 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Wingy

So does Safari, Opera, IE, Chrome, Rock Melt. I’m sure they all support SS marriage as a company, but I haven’t heard of anyone being canned from these companies for something they did 6 years ago that was perfectly legal and in-line with what Obama believed at the time.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 5:30:47 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: OneWingedShark
It leaks memory, and it's kinda a memory-hog

I'll give you that it's a memory hog, sometimes taking up a half gig depending on how many tabs I have open. However, FF hasn't "leaked memory" in years. A TRUE memory leak is one where RAM is consistently lost to the process until the process either locks up or the system crashes. The last iteration of FF I can recall that had that problem was way back in the FF15 days, and that was due almost solely to poorly-written add-ons and extensions.

FF is it's own process. It has no hooks in the OS, hence its utility on almost any platform, and it runs independently of the OS kernel including its own certificate stores, Java kernel bucket, and application rail. FF is a safer, more stable browser than IE and while it's not as streamlined as Chrome, it's much better at error handling. FF is a memory hog, because you're essentially running a mini-OS over top of your OS kernel.

Mozilla mostly makes their money through advertising. Given their profile in the open source community, however, FF would continue to thrive even if Mozilla, as an entity, was at 1/10th its current value. Remember that Mozilla is a standard-bearer for much of the open source community. They're not a for profit entity, so their value isn't really at issue here, I believe.

30 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:17 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Bigg Red

Click on Opera logo at top left, select settings, third item down lets you choose default search engine.


31 posted on 04/05/2014 5:55:20 AM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: LowOiL
Dittos to your comments, especially to the customization aspects of FF. No tracking, no ads, I hated those ads with autorun videos!

Links for lurkers-- Do Not Track Me, Ad Block Plus, Ixquick, Hushmail and nothing Google just lets me breathe a bit easier...and, all are free and proven!

32 posted on 04/05/2014 6:18:41 AM PDT by W. (Only those who survived the regime know the horrors of communism...)
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To: rarestia
However, FF hasn't "leaked memory" in years. A TRUE memory leak is one where RAM is consistently lost to the process until the process either locks up or the system crashes.

It happens, really.
Try running it continuously for about a week with, say, 50 tabs open.

FF is a safer, more stable browser than IE and while it's not as streamlined as Chrome, it's much better at error handling.

I kinda don't care.
I don't want to measure crap with other crap (relative stability), I want solid, absolute stability like that which formal methods can deliver (i.e. provably bug-free).

Remember that Mozilla is a standard-bearer for much of the open source community. They're not a for profit entity, so their value isn't really at issue here, I believe.

I agree about the money /= value for the organization; however, being as it is standard-bearer for open-source they ought to consider using formal methods rather than infinite-updates as their tool for ensuring quality.

33 posted on 04/05/2014 10:11:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: KEVLAR

Thank you.


34 posted on 04/05/2014 2:09:54 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: OneWingedShark

50 TABS?! That’s incredible. I’ve never seen that many tabs open in my entire career as an IT engineer. I’m surprised it would run for more than 5 minutes let alone a week. My FF stays open between sleep (STR) sessions for 5 days and rarely eats up more than 400 MB.

If you want stable, try running any browser in “Privacy” mode where all add ons, browser plugins, etc. are disabled. It’s incredibly stable, regardless of browser, but it lacks function. Worst case, you could always go back to Lynx or Emacs.


35 posted on 04/05/2014 2:46:16 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
50 TABS?! That’s incredible. I’ve never seen that many tabs open in my entire career as an IT engineer.

If you're doing some research intensive stuff you can rack up three times that many following references around; especially if you want to "keep an eye" on where you get the papers you're investigating (some of them can be really difficult to find; like this paper).

If you want stable, try running any browser in “Privacy” mode where all add ons, browser plugins, etc. are disabled. It’s incredibly stable, regardless of browser, but it lacks function. Worst case, you could always go back to Lynx or Emacs.

Lynx is pretty cool; it would handle a lot of my basic user-cases, that is research aside.

36 posted on 04/05/2014 3:02:17 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Try running it continuously for about a week with, say, 50 tabs open.

No thanks. What on earth are you DOING with so very many tabs open? Unless you're deliberately trying to freeze it.
37 posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:46 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
What on earth are you DOING with so very many tabs open?

Research, mostly.

38 posted on 04/05/2014 10:59:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: W.
Dittos to your comments, especially to the customization aspects of FF. No tracking, no ads, I hated those ads with autorun videos!

I am gonna look into this browser (Pale Moon), basically same as FF, but faster and still accepts the add-ons.

http://www.palemoon.org

Also on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/PaleMoonBrowser

39 posted on 04/08/2014 7:52:17 PM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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