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To: tinamina
They are naturally Republican leaning but greatly influenced by the liberation theology bent int the Roman Catholic Church,

That is not even close.. The Church says a lot of things that are lofty goals that almost all of their followers fail to follow.. Divorce and birth control among them..

They vote a majority Dem. because they are fed the constant BS about a promise of amnesty and we bite the apple by screaming at them..

We should change the subject to a better immigration policy, fairer, quicker (it takes as long as 3 years and costs several thousand) and cheaper..

22 posted on 04/14/2014 10:00:40 PM PDT by carlo3b (Corrupt politicians make the other ten percent look bad.. Henry Kissinger)
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To: carlo3b; tinamina

The expulsion crowd at the Journal never acknowledges the fact that pro-amnesty, “comprehensive immigration reform” leader John McCain (R-Ariz.), was rejected by 67 percent of Hispanic voters, that 72 percent of Hispanics voted against Bob Dole, that 69 percent voted against the elder Bush and that 62 percent voted against the younger Bush. So, it could be argued that Romney’s “tough” illegal immigration stance cost him only 4 percentage points of the Hispanic vote as opposed to that of McCain and that he actually picked up 6 points over Dole and 2 points more than Bush senior did.

The bottom line is that Hispanics are largely Democrats and they don’t swing their support to pro-illegal-immigration Republicans such as McCain and or even to Bush senior, who was vice president at the time of the 1986 amnesty.

In fact, after the 1986 amnesty was signed by President Reagan, the Hispanic vote for the Democratic presidential candidate (Michael Dukakis) in the next election increased by 8 percent. After McCain attempted to push through another amnesty, Hispanic support for the Democratic candidate (Barack Obama) in the next presidential election increased by 9 percent over that received by John Kerry in the previous presidential election.

So if favoring illegal immigration and rewarding illegal aliens is not the key to winning Hispanic votes, what is? Polls show that Hispanics strongly support government welfare and entitlement programs such as Obamacare. In fact, according to surveys reported by the Pew Hispanic Center, 69 percent of Hispanics support expanding or leaving Obamacare as currently constituted. That 69 percent is eerily close to the 71 percent of the Hispanic vote that went to President Obama.

“The expulsion crowd at the Journal never acknowledges the fact that pro-amnesty, “comprehensive immigration reform” leader John McCain (R-Ariz.), was rejected by 67 percent of Hispanic voters, that 72 percent of Hispanics voted against Bob Dole, that 69 percent voted against the elder Bush and that 62 percent voted against the younger Bush. So, it could be argued that Romney’s “tough” illegal immigration stance cost him only 4 percentage points of the Hispanic vote as opposed to that of McCain and that he actually picked up 6 points over Dole and 2 points more than Bush senior did.

The bottom line is that Hispanics are largely Democrats and they don’t swing their support to pro-illegal-immigration Republicans such as McCain and or even to Bush senior, who was vice president at the time of the 1986 amnesty.

In fact, after the 1986 amnesty was signed by President Reagan, the Hispanic vote for the Democratic presidential candidate (Michael Dukakis) in the next election increased by 8 percent. After McCain attempted to push through another amnesty, Hispanic support for the Democratic candidate (Barack Obama) in the next presidential election increased by 9 percent over that received by John Kerry in the previous presidential election.

So if favoring illegal immigration and rewarding illegal aliens is not the key to winning Hispanic votes, what is? Polls show that Hispanics strongly support government welfare and entitlement programs such as Obamacare. In fact, according to surveys reported by the Pew Hispanic Center, 69 percent of Hispanics support expanding or leaving Obamacare as currently constituted. That 69 percent is eerily close to the 71 percent of the Hispanic vote that went to President Obama.”

http://cis.org/mortensen/hispanics-were-democrats-long-illegal-immigration-became-issue


26 posted on 04/14/2014 10:05:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: carlo3b

So you’re saying just let them all in legally and that way they’ll be happy with us and they won’t have to break the law?


57 posted on 04/14/2014 10:52:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: carlo3b

Are you Hispanic? I am and just telling you what the Catholic perspective on this seems to be. Overwhelming social justice and keeping illegals safe from gov deportation...My family has been on this continent since before 1776....but still Hispanic value orientation.


84 posted on 04/15/2014 12:34:54 AM PDT by tinamina (.)
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To: carlo3b
We should change the subject to a better immigration policy, fairer, quicker (it takes as long as 3 years and costs several thousand) and cheaper..

Would that include Poles, Germans, Asians, Scandinavians, etc.?

93 posted on 04/15/2014 2:49:23 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: carlo3b

“We should change the subject to a better immigration policy, fairer, quicker (it takes as long as 3 years and costs several thousand) and cheaper.”

Carlo, why do we have to facilitate their desire to immigrate to our country legally or illegally? Our immigration system should be fairer to our citizens.
I have people in my family who identify as Latino and are of Spanish decent via Mexico. I don’t want the immigration policy of my country to be based on my feelings for these people that I know personally.

My husband is a Dutch citizen. I love his family, his friends and his culture, but I’m not going to say let all those Dutch people in and make it cheaper, easier and quicker for them. I’m an American citizen; make it quicker, cheaper and easier for a citizen spouse and children to enter, but vet the hell out of the rest of them before you let them in and make it in our interest that they are allowed in, not their interest.


108 posted on 04/15/2014 3:54:01 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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