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To: SgtBob

So expressing an opinion—which stands, by the way—is stupid? OK.

I have read the constitution many times. I carry a copy with me at all times. I would not go so far as to say I am an expert.

So, tell me, genius, how the Article V route makes us somehow immune to the same mummery and shenanigans that would occur during a regular constitutional convention, or any other political situation.

If “our side” sends representatives, do you think that the other side will not? Do you think that the other side will not try the same tactics they use in any other political situation? What makes you think that the other side won’t just ignore any results like they currently do? Please, explain all that to this poor, dumb ol’ boy from Missouri.

We have something that works. Use it. Hold your government accountable by whatever means are at your disposal. Like it or not, we’re eventually going to have to make an omelet.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 6:17:33 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: ronnyquest

An Article V Convention of the States is very small scoped.

Let’s say 32 States legislatures, represented by the people of the 32 States, decided the U. S. Congress needs to be term limited. That would be the only Amendment to be debated...the U. S. Congress has no voice, whatsoever; No other Amendments can be debated, whatsoever.

In an earlier post I said the “Eat Yer Own Garbage to Stop Landfill Expansion Amendment” will not be heard.

This would not be a Constitutional Convention. This is a group of States, with the foresight of the Founding Fathers, to amend the Constitution without the interference of an out of control, lawless, Congress.

Shout back if ya need more help;-)


43 posted on 04/15/2014 6:37:46 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: ronnyquest; nathanbedford
The states will not send schlubs off the street, nor even representatives to the convention. States will send delegates. These agents of the states will have commissions that delineate exactly what they are authorized to do.

For example, here is the summary of Florida's bill, HM609:

<>Article V Constitutional Convention: Establishes qualifications of delegates & alternate delegates to Article V constitutional convention; provides for appointment of delegates by Legislature; authorizes Legislature to recall delegate & fill vacancy; authorizes presiding officers to call special legislative session to carry out certain provisions relating to appointments; requires delegates to sign oath; provides for instructions to delegates; establishes circumstances under which convention vote is declared void; provides circumstances under which delegate's appointment is forfeited; establishes circumstances under which application to call Article V convention ceases to be continuing application & is deemed to have no effect; provides penalties; establishes delegate advisory group.<>

<>We have something that works.<>

I copied the following from a nathanbedford post:

In order to believe that a Convention of the States presents a greater threat to liberty than our current state of politics one must believe:

1. The Constitution is not being amended by three women in black robes +1 liberal in black robes +1 swing vote on a case by case basis.

2. The Constitution is not being amended at the caprice of the president by executive order.

3. The Constitution is not being amended at the caprice of the president when he chooses which laws he will “faithfully” execute.

4. The Constitution is not being amended daily by regulation done by an unaccountable bureaucracy.

5. The Constitution is not being amended by simply being ignored.

6. The Constitution is not being amended by international treaty.

7. The Constitution is not being amended by Executive Order creating treaty powers depriving citizens of liberty as codified in the Bill of Rights.

8. The Constitution is not being amended by international bureaucracies such as, UN, GATT, World Bank, etc.

9. The Constitution is being amended by the Federal Reserve Bank without reference to the will of the people.

10. The federal government under our current “constitutional” regime has suddenly become capable of reforming itself, balancing the budget and containing the debt.

11. The national debt of the United States is sustainable and will not cause the American constitutional system and our economy to crash and with them our representative democracy, the rule of law, and the Constitution, such as it is, itself.

12. The Republican Party presuming it gains a majority in the House and the Senate and gains the White House will now do what is failed to do even under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush and balance the budget, reduce the debt, stop regulating, reform the tax system, end crony capitalism, appoint judges who will not betray us and, finally, listen to the people.

13. That a runaway Convention of the States will occur, that it will persuade the delegates from conservative states, that it will be ratified by three quarters of the states’ legislatures among whom conservatives control a majority, and the end result will somehow be worse than what we have now.

14. If we do nothing everything will be fine; if we keep doing what we have been doing everything will be fine; we have all the time in the world.

58 posted on 04/16/2014 1:55:15 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Change is not made without inconvenience, even from worse to better - Richard Hooker. Article V.)
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