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Microsoft rescues XP users with emergency browser fix
Reuters ^ | May 1, 2014 | Jim Finkle

Posted on 05/01/2014 10:50:49 AM PDT by dayglored

Microsoft is helping the estimated hundreds of millions of customers still running Windows XP, which it stopped supporting earlier this month, by providing an emergency update to fix a critical bug in its Internet Explorer browser.

Microsoft Corp rushed to create the fix after learning of the bug in the operating system over the weekend when cybersecurity firm FireEye Inc warned that a sophisticated group of hackers had exploited the bug to launch attacks in a campaign dubbed "Operation Clandestine Fox.

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(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: computersecurity; ie; internetexplorer; microsoft; undead; windowsxp; zombie
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Windows XP has officially attained un-dead, zombie status.

Ya think it had something to do with the US and UK governments tell people officially to stop using Internet Explorer???

"The operating system that would not die!!"

I'm honestly not sure whether to consider this good news, bad news, or just news. Have at it, FReepers...

1 posted on 05/01/2014 10:50:49 AM PDT by dayglored
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To: dayglored; ShadowAce; Swordmaker

Tech ping?


2 posted on 05/01/2014 10:51:41 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored
Also see these recent threads:

Microsoft Security Bulletin Advance Notification for May 1, 2014

Stop using Microsoft's IE browser until bug is fixed, US and UK warn

Stop using Microsoft's IE browser until bug is fixed, US warns

Microsoft warns of Internet Explorer security gap

3 posted on 05/01/2014 10:56:59 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored

Made ‘em blink...


4 posted on 05/01/2014 11:05:07 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Still Thinking; ...

5 posted on 05/01/2014 11:11:10 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dayglored

bump


6 posted on 05/01/2014 11:24:31 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: bigbob

It is bad press for them.

Grandma and Grandpa and computer illiterate aunts and uncles and so on... are being told that they need to buy a new computer or else. Expensive for most. They won’t understand.

MS made billions off of their products and the loyal customers who followed them and a large percentage are still running XP.


7 posted on 05/01/2014 11:38:31 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dayglored
Thrilling details here.
8 posted on 05/01/2014 11:47:33 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: dhs12345

Count me as one of them - but I did switch my browser to FireFox.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 11:48:03 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: dayglored

Adobe is also at fault. If you don’t have the patch, it is sufficient to disable the Flash plugin.


10 posted on 05/01/2014 11:49:37 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
> Adobe is also at fault. If you don’t have the patch, it is sufficient to disable the Flash plugin.

Well, much as I hate Flash, and consider it a security hole on roller skates all by itself, in this case it only happens to be the vector by which the real flaw in IE is activated. There's nothing inherently wrong with Flash in this particular regard. Disabling the plugin removes the path by which the bad guys get to the real vulnerability.

11 posted on 05/01/2014 12:01:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored

Speaking of Adobe, it’s a good idea to avoid their PDF reader (even though they invented the format and the computer language it relies upon) in favor of just about any other one. It’s too heavy and complex, and that has lead to security holes in the past. You need to be able to fetch PDFs into your browser seamlessly and without worrying that you are about to be pwned.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 12:07:13 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: PeteB570
Me too.

Two options:

1. Buy an new computer.
2. Roll the dice and hope that your computer and ALL of its hardware is compatible with “crappy” win 8. And if it is, then be prepared to fork out $120 per computer.

And by the way, your old programs may not natively run under win 8. So, you'll have to set up a Virtual XP PC which may or may not work reliably.

13 posted on 05/01/2014 12:08:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

I also have a Mac that runs Windows 8 on a Parallel Desk Top.

Everything I need to work with is on both. When the XP computer goes TU I’ll chunk it and start working on the other one.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 12:15:05 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: dayglored

Downloaded and applied to XP SP3.


15 posted on 05/01/2014 12:15:46 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: PeteB570
Hey, one thing about Apple.

My 4 year old Ipad is almost obsolete and I can't run most of the apps on it any more. The OS (and hardware) are obsolete.

So, in that respect, I guess MS is better? :)

16 posted on 05/01/2014 12:21:57 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

I’m so low tech I have to keep asking my daughter which iPhone I’ve got.

My wife and Daughter just got their iPhones and I think they’re one step ahead of mine.

I know just enough to get my stuff to do what I want it to - anything else and I call one of the kids over.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 12:29:19 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: dhs12345
Apple is a "system" manufacturer, but really they are a hardware company who supplies outstanding software to support their hardware, usually at ridiculously low cost, or free.

But it means they have to keep you upgrading your hardware, buying new hardware, every few years.

I've got some perfectly functional 8 year old Apple hardware, that runs the OLD software just fine. But I can't upgrade the software any more.

It's not in their business interest to allow their latest and greatest software to run on old hardware. They need you to buy new hardware fairly regularly.

Does that make Microsoft "better"? Well, ask their hardware partners... the ones who have been dying in droves.

18 posted on 05/01/2014 12:34:20 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: PeteB570

Exactly.

And if you invest the hours, weeks, and months learning about it, it will all be obsolete in a couple of years.

But that is all part of the plan — make you buy a new widget every couple of years or so. It is called planned obsolescence.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 12:35:23 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dayglored
Hey, MS supported XP for how many years? 12 years? Versus my Ipad which was obsolete after 3/4 years?

Hardware partners? They probably love Apple. They get to sell everyone a new Iphone every couple of years. Planned obsolescence?

Also, it gets expensive having to buy a new $500 Iphone, Ipad and whatever every couple of years.

I will remember this the next time I am due to upgrade my smart phone. So far we have been using Android and our phones are three years old. They'll probably die before they become obsolete.

Crossing my fingers. Knocking on wood.

20 posted on 05/01/2014 12:44:06 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
I think maybe you missed my point. I meant -Microsoft-'s hardware partners, not Apple's.

The ones that are dying because Microsoft hasn't come out with a truly great, compelling operating system in a decade other than Windows 7, and arguably that is still being upstaged by the un-dead, Refuses-To-Die WinXP.

I applaud Microsoft for supporting XP that long. They had every right to kill support a long time ago if they wanted to. But they were forced to yield to the marketplace of users and businesses who demanded continued support.

Unfortunately, they didn't come out with anything (other than Win7) that could hold a candle to XP for simple usefulness.

And their hardware partners are dead, dead, dead. They were subsisting on tiny margins because of the race-to-the-bottom of PC hardware prices, and then the combination of Vista and Win8, at the same time Apple was bringing out the iPhone/iPad family, dropped the bottom out entirely.

And then Microsoft comes out with Surface. Geez, it's a wonder that the PC hardware makers didn't burn Redmond to the ground.

21 posted on 05/01/2014 12:51:40 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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> And if you invest the hours, weeks, and months learning about it, it will all be obsolete in a couple of years. But that is all part of the plan — make you buy a new widget every couple of years or so. It is called planned obsolescence.

Yep. It's a known drawback of buying Apple's stuff. Limited upgrade life.

The upside? It's got a long useful lifetime, and typically very high resale value. During its lifetime it's generally dependable and just works.

For many people, that's the better deal. Ain't a free market with choices just dandy? :)

22 posted on 05/01/2014 12:56:47 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored

Just last night I saw a commercial that touted PCMatic’s ability to “support WinXP which MS has abandoned.” Or words to that effect. What’s up with that? Not that I want to use XP in the future—my non-Apple machines use Win7 64-bit which I like.

TC


23 posted on 05/01/2014 1:54:00 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Paladin2

“Downloaded and applied to XP SP3.”

Where did you find the link to the download? I’m on XP and need to do this. Thanks!


24 posted on 05/01/2014 1:56:52 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam

Start -—> Control Panel ——> Security Center -—> Check for latest updates....


25 posted on 05/01/2014 1:58:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dhs12345

My kids don’t seem to have any problems with Apple Tech.

I think they absorb it while they’re sleeping.


26 posted on 05/01/2014 2:01:47 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
> Just last night I saw a commercial that touted PCMatic’s ability to “support WinXP which MS has abandoned.” Or words to that effect. What’s up with that?

PC-Matic is a "maintenance" package that does various anti-virus, registry-cleaning, and other general system tasks. It gets good reviews, generally.

HOWEVER, it does NOT provide security patches and updates for Windows or any Windows components such as Internet Explorer or Microsoft Office.

They're just doing some fancy marketing (read: white lies) by implying that they're picking up where Microsoft left off. It's not true.

> Not that I want to use XP in the future—my non-Apple machines use Win7 64-bit which I like.

Windows 7 is terrific. I think it's the best OS Microsoft has ever put out.

27 posted on 05/01/2014 2:15:14 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: Paladin2

Oh; I did that earlier today. I thought there might be something else. Thanks so much!


28 posted on 05/01/2014 2:32:26 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: PeteB570
"I’m so low tech I have to keep asking my daughter which iPhone I’ve got."

What's an iPhone? I still use a rotary phone.

29 posted on 05/01/2014 2:43:41 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: dhs12345

If your computer will run XP, it will run Windows 7 with no problem. No need to buy a new computer.


30 posted on 05/01/2014 2:45:46 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: dayglored; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ..

Not a fully official Apple Mac Ping, but they are talking about Apple products and some of you may have Windows XP on a Virtual PC on your Macs, so what the heck. . . PING!


31 posted on 05/01/2014 2:53:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: dhs12345; dayglored
Hey, one thing about Apple.

My 4 year old Ipad is almost obsolete and I can't run most of the apps on it any more. The OS (and hardware) are obsolete.

So, in that respect, I guess MS is better? :)

Why? My daughter is running my hand-me-down four year old iPad without problems. It runs the apps suitable for it and most of the apps on the App Store. My ex-wife was running my SEVEN year old iPhone original model until two months ago with the original battery. . . still going strong! Alternatively, I just installed Apple OSX.9 Mavericks, the latest Mac operating system, on my SEVEN YEAR OLD 24" iMac with no problems. Works faster than it did with the OSX4 Tiger it shipped with. . . and it's running Windows 8.1 as well. It's not obsolete at all.

32 posted on 05/01/2014 3:05:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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Hi Swordmaker,

Yeah, good call. I imagine there are a lot of us with Mac hardware running Windows (including XP) in BootCamp, not to mention VMware, Parallels, VirtualBox, etc.

In fact, I have a harder time these days justifying putting Windows on bare metal (other than as dual boot like BootCamp). I rarely need raw-metal peripheral access (virtualized access is like 99% effective), and when I do, I tend to use the BootCamp partition.

On the other hand I have also found that older Apple hardware that no longer can be upgraded with the latest Apple software is still perfectly suitable for installing Windows on the metal. When I'm forced to upgrade to newer Apple hardware, the older hardware continues to serve just fine with Redmond's offerings.

33 posted on 05/01/2014 3:12:13 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: dayglored
Lol. Exactly.

Only it isn't that “free” sometimes.

34 posted on 05/01/2014 3:43:18 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

My original iPad is running fine, no problems at all.

It must depend on which apps you are using.


35 posted on 05/01/2014 3:50:50 PM PDT by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: PeteB570

Apple is inherently easier. That was and is their big advantage.


36 posted on 05/01/2014 4:20:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: jacquej
I wasn't able to update xfinity and a number of other apps. Ios6 or greater is the error message that I get. I am trying to remember which os it has but the issue is that I can't upgrade the os to make it compatible with the newer apps.

Anyway, xfinity defaults to an old app and I think the message was that that app was could soon be obsoleted. I can still log in via the web browser but that is a bit of a pain.

There were a couple of other apps that were giving me problems, too. Drudge? Brietbart? Actually, I was surprised to find out that I had to pay for the ipad apps whereas they are free on my android.

Anyway....

I checked the Internet for a solution and found a lot of angry and irate people. The posts were from a year ago.

37 posted on 05/01/2014 4:30:51 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Swordmaker

Xfinity didn’t work for me. Complained that I needed the iosx6?


38 posted on 05/01/2014 4:32:17 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SunTzuWu
Will win 7 have all of the drivers for my 9 year old hardware?

I have a pretty old high end video card. Probably from 2004? The mb is probably 5 years old.

My other mb is newer and the mb is more current.

Also, I am running Vegas Video with a specific version of .net. I am wondering if it will work.

I guess that I can run the compatibility check.

Also, is win 7 an option? I thought that MS were directing everyone to win 8.1.

39 posted on 05/01/2014 4:37:24 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345
My 4 year old Ipad is almost obsolete and I can't run most of the apps on it any more. The OS (and hardware) are obsolete.

Not so. My 4-year-old iPad 1 is still being used daily by my wife. It is far from obsolete. Same goes for my iPad 2. MS is definitely worse. One of the reasons I primarily use my Macs and iPads is that I got tired of all the viruses and patch-fixes on my MS-based PCs. I still use Windows XP, both on a desktop and in a Parallels virtual setup on my Mac. When Windows croaks (as it often does), I can simply copy a backup file into place for Parallels. My Mac OSX has never croaked. Neither have my iPads. I'm a former Windows and NT administrator, with a lot of experience fixing Windows (including training at Microsoft). So unless you have had some equivalent training from Apple, then why should anyone listen to you?

40 posted on 05/01/2014 5:21:01 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: dhs12345; PeteB570

I too am one of them still using XP one machine, the one I am using now as I type. I downloaded the fix today too. I have two other machines running Windows 7, but am slow to get used to it, having run XP for so many years. Windows 7 does not have the ‘feel’ of XP and many things seem different.

After I transfer everything from this machine to one of the newer ones, including all my Outlook files, I will be using one of the ‘7’ machines.

Btw, I need help to know how to transfer the Outlook files. I would welcome suggestions on the know how. These files are in Office 2007 and I am going to Office 2010 on the newer machine. I could upgrade this to 2010 if it would make the transfer easier.


41 posted on 05/01/2014 5:27:21 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: dhs12345

Sure they’ll understand. Explain that it’s like having an old car that you can’t get parts, oil, battery, etc for: run it as long as you can, but when it breaks ain’t nobody interested in fixing it.


42 posted on 05/01/2014 5:46:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: dhs12345
Go to your device manager and find the brand and model of your video card. Then google it alone with the word driver. Windows update should find the drivers automatically for things like your mouse, audio, etc...
43 posted on 05/01/2014 6:14:28 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: dayglored

I didn’t expect to be doing this tonight, but I just put a discarded 20GB hard drive with XP service pack 1 on it, into one of my machines.

I got past the Admin password and am now admin, and now will try to go with service pack 3, but I don’t know if Microsoft update will require a license number.


44 posted on 05/01/2014 7:44:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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Xfinity didn’t work for me. Complained that I needed the iosx6?

That's a different situation. The technology simply didn't exist for streaming video in the earlier iPhones. . . or iOS. . . that Xfinity takes advantage of to stream their signal. Nor was it in the original iPad. That was a later development in the graphic ability and band width capabilities. The hardware couldn't support it.

45 posted on 05/02/2014 1:39:28 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

If by Outlook files you mean your mail and offline folders, upgrading won’t make any difference since there is no file format change. The files are normally in a subdirectory of your profile on the C:\ drive (next to your Documents) It is a hidden file so you need to enable viewing hidden and or system files in your Explorer. Find the folder with “filename.pst” file(s) in it and move all of the contents to the new install in the same location. BTW in the same directory tree with the .pst files you will also find other office files like your custom dictionary, signature files, and address book.

Good luck.


46 posted on 05/02/2014 2:45:05 AM PDT by Woodman
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“Alternatively, I just installed Apple OSX.9 Mavericks, the latest Mac operating system, on my SEVEN YEAR OLD 24” iMac with no problems. Works faster than it did with the OSX4 Tiger it shipped with. “

THIS.

Any time I have updated the OS on my Mac the computer ran faster. When I updated the OS on my PC the computer slowed down.


47 posted on 05/02/2014 6:14:46 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: SunTzuWu
Ya. I know. I have done it a gazillion times. I have installed Linux on a number of machines and I have built a few systems from scratch. Linux was especially “fun” and I fear that an upgrade will be a similar experience.

The issue is support for older hardware and that is the manufacturer's responsibility. It wouldn't be surprising that, for example, a video card mfgr not write new win 7 drivers for an 8 year old video card (after is “discontinued”). Now if you can use the xp drivers in Win7 then it should be okay. But that doesn't always work as promised.

My old raid mother board might not have the needed drivers and will probably default to some generic functionality.

48 posted on 05/02/2014 7:14:11 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Swordmaker
Ya. But a pretty serious one.

BTW, I am not interested in streaming. I am only interested in reading my email. I can probably find other email apps but I like the one from xfinity.

BTW, my android cell phone is 3 years old and the xfinity app runs great on it. And it is free! Also, I am finding that many apps that are free on android cost from Apple.

49 posted on 05/02/2014 7:20:20 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: ctdonath2
Actually a car is a good analogy.

It is all about supply and demand.

There are very profitable companies that supply parts for 80 year, 90 year old cars. I own a 1929 model A ford and have no problems finding parts for it. Even original parts.

Why? Because there is a demand for it. Because there is a business justification for it.

Now, lets consider XP. Apparently 20% of all PCs are still running it. That is probably 10s of millions of computers. I wouldn't mind paying a fee for continued support. Even if the fee ended up being more than the cost of the upgrade (over time). I suspect most people would agree.

The real question is “would MS be willing to offer the source code to a third party.” My guess would be no way, no how. Because there are probably features in XP that are in Win7 and Win8. So, would MS be willing to support XP for a fee? Apparently not.

50 posted on 05/02/2014 7:29:21 AM PDT by dhs12345
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