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From Stone Darts to Dismembered Bodies... 5,000 Years of Violence in... California
Western Digs ^ | April 28, 2014 | Blake de Pastino

Posted on 05/03/2014 9:37:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: Varda

Yeah, but of course it goes back to well before Marx. Back to at least Shaftesbury around 1700. The notion has always been popular among those criticizing modern society.

In the book I mentioned earlier, it is demonstrated that the average among primitive peoples is a death rate from war and other violence that is considerably higher than hit either Germany or Russia during the 20th. In the most extreme societies over 50% of males die from violence.

Why this should be a surprise to anyone is itself a surprise.

Human evolution, since reaching intelligence, has pretty obviously not been between individuals, but between groups, tribes or whatever you want to call them.

What do you think happened to a peaceful tribe that came into contact with a warlike one? Either they abandoned their pacifism darn quick, or they died.

More precisely, the men died. The conquerors could always find a use for women, but adult males were just a danger, and were generally just massacred.

Modern genetics shows this very clearly.


41 posted on 05/03/2014 12:53:12 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Psalm 144

Yup. Visited Mesa Verde about 25 years ago, and had to suffer through PC rangers on the tour trying to describe the quite obviously defensive cliff dwellings as early attempts at passive solar building.

Really. As if anyone would choose to live in such a wildly inconvenient spot if they didn’t have a darn good reason.

If the neighbors were getting into cannibalism and perhaps human sacrifice, I’d want to fort up, too.


42 posted on 05/03/2014 12:55:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BenLurkin

Kumeyaay and see!
I will Pauwai the fee !


43 posted on 05/03/2014 2:07:19 PM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Indians were peaceful.

If they have found evidence of violence, that must mean one thing:

The Vikings got much further west than we had realized. Not just to Minnesota (Kensington Runestone), but all the way to California.

44 posted on 05/03/2014 5:35:23 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

I always thought it belonged to a short, red-haired guy named Sam.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 5:36:23 PM PDT by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: Sherman Logan
If the neighbors were getting into cannibalism and perhaps human sacrifice, I’d want to fort up, too.

I worked in that country for years and after seeing the cliff dwellings in the region I realized those people were afraid for their lives. Wherever you go in that region -- Mesa Verde, Sinagua ruins, Walnut Canyon -- it's clear they were hiding and defending against hostile intruders.

46 posted on 05/03/2014 11:01:00 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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