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To: PieterCasparzen
Why would Ukraine not want to join the EU ? It should be all unicorns, leprechauns and pots o'gold. What could possibly go wrong for the average Ukrainian ?

How about, they get out from under the boot of the Russian bear that has starved, dominated and used their country as a buffer for generations?

Oh and by the way, there is nothing wrong with actual austerity. The problem is none of these countries is really practicing it. Most of them are simply lowering the increase of public spending. Estonia's model of austerity, you know where you actually cut stuff, is working just fine.

And before you get into banker conspiracies, bankers are nothing more than enablers - same as they are for individuals that get into debt trouble. The reason the bankers are always taken care of is because they will keep lending the money that allows these countries to run their social welfare states (effectively buying votes from the dependent class).

Much as the EU is rotten no doubt, but most Eastern European nations along with the Baltic's are much happier being under the Western European umbrella than at the mercy of Russia. Take a moment, remove infowars from your bookmarks and open your eyes. The Ukraine has had far more negative experience with Russia than it has the EU, so naturally the 75% ethnic Ukrainians in the Ukraine (as well as some percentage of others who feel themselves Ukrainians first) will gravitate to the West.

7 posted on 05/03/2014 11:53:23 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Don’t bother trying to “convince” me that the neocon mythology is real.

I’ve got far too many facts, and none of them come from “infowars”.

Reports and records of the “foundations”, central banks, various businesses, etc., going back into the 1800s are online and publicly accessible.

It enables one to see the undeniable relationships that have existed.

Regarding Ukraine...

People don’t go trashing their own country with a civil war because of old grudges their grandpas had.

They trash their country with a civil war because of few leaders are told they’re in line to gain power and wealth in the aftermath.

Check the sovereign debt of all eastern European countries, per capita, not in total.

Can you see what’s going on ?

Taxes are paid by the “little people”; those in control of the world have hundreds of billions in capital that is under their control - i.e., in foundations, publicly-held companies, etc. - and they pay only a tiny fraction of the tax they would have to pay if the earnings from all the capital they control was included in their personal tax computation. The sheeple have practically no capital under their control. Mostly they have debt. What capital they do have - they’ve turned over to funds whose boards control how that capital is employed. This is why jobs have moved to China and “we can’t get them back”. Instead of owning and operating our own businesses, where we can exit the investment and go start a competitor if the business outsources overseas, we own shares in funds who happily invest in companies that turn a deaf ear to our pleading for jobs.

To understand how the conspiracy works, not as a hypothetical but in reality, one has to look at overlapping boards of directors.

Boards of top foundations, publicly-held companies, universities/endowments, NGOs, think tanks and top government leadership all overlap such as that conflict of interest permeates the whole leadership of society.

One has to think from the elites’ perspective, as if you were a billionaire whose ancestors spent their lives working towards complete monopolistic control of society - you’re an elite leader, you have to “run the world”. And you’ve inherited their ongoing projects and plans, plenty of holdings and connections, and their guidance.

For example: If you wanted to get the entire African continent taking vaccines or growing GMO foods produced by companies that are part of your sphere of control in these world domination plans, you’d certainly make use of tax-exempt foundations to accomplish this.

1) you can place hundreds of millions worth of stock into the foundation and thus avoid inheritence taxes for your heirs - your parents did the same thing for you afer all. All their foundations are self-funding but you and people working for/with you on “new world order” get to run the board of directors and thus determine how every year’s tax-exempt investment proceeds will be spent. capital under your control.

2) it’s great for PR. The sheeple will think you whipped out $100 million in cash and sent it to Africa, when you really only did a paper tax-avoidance transaction.

3) you can actually get OTHER people to ADD THEIR hard-earned money to your foundation. They’ll love it, because their donations are tax-deductible. But they’ll have no say in what how you operate the foundation. Thanks, sheeple !

4) You’ll have a revolving door going between your foundation, the healthcare industry top execs, and the top government regulators and the top universities. You can also sit on the boards for universities. You can get people loyal to you to take regulator jobs. You can get regulators making it law that everyone needs to buy your healthcare companies commercial products.

5) You can get African governments in on a deal. They accept your foundation coming in and “helping” their country. They agree to let your people into their government as consultants and regulators. And you get them to ask the US government for “aid”, which you can have your influence in the US governmet make happen. So US tax dollars go to Africa, the local Idi Amin gets a cut, and the rest comes back to your for-profit company as sales, with your tax-exempt foundation providing the consulting and guidance, and sending voluteers out to vaccinate everyone in sight.

Ultimately, as an elite, you “know” that the planet can only support so many people. If we “overpopulate” we’ll “starve”. Someone has to be the “leader” and make the “tough decisions”. As an elite, that’s you.

Even though your push to promote food exports actually goes so far that outsiders will always bid up the price so that domestic prices for food rise to painful levels as tons of locally-produced food goes out on boats and a lucky few profit greatly, and your position as the maker of these international markets winds up with you profiting enormously, you deserve - you need the profit. It’s what makes you an elite, so you can make the tough decisions.

Someday when people start getting really hungry, you will then be wise enough to adjust the pricing and availability of medicines, perhaps some foods and medicines that have some sicknesses as as side effect might inadvertantly “help reduce population”.

You can rest easy; a world with no competition for the operations where your capital is invested, and no one to contest you as elite. In fact, the very idea that you think of yourself as an elite, the idea that any of this is true: your ancestors long ago learned out to paint that out to be a crazy conspiracy theory. Whenever your sheeple hear someone telling them about you “controlling the world” they laugh and mock the person.


10 posted on 05/03/2014 2:58:20 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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