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First Nations girl chooses traditional medicine over chemo
CBC News ^ | May 16, 2014 | Connie Walker

Posted on 05/16/2014 11:11:20 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Makayla Sault is only 10 years old, but has already had to make life and death decisions.

She and her parents, Ken and Sonya Sault, have decided to forgo chemotherapy and instead use traditional medicine to fight leukemia.

“I am writing this letter to tell you that this chemo is killing my body and I cannot take it anymore,” she wrote to her doctors at the McMaster Children’s Hospital in Hamilton.

Makayla was diagnosed with acute lymphoblastic leukemia in January. Her doctors told her family that she would have a 75 per cent chance of survival if she continued treatment. If not, they warned that her situation could become dire.

“They basically said she would have 100 per cent relapse and she would die if we discontinued chemotherapy. And that going the route of traditional medicine has zero per cent success rate,” said Sonya Sault.

The hospital has referred Makayla’s case to the Children’s Aid Society, sparking fears that she may be apprehended and forced back into treatment.

“We just felt so scared that they could actually come in and remove our children from a home where we are loving them and caring for them and we want what’s best for them,” said Sonya Sault.

The Saults are from the New Credit First Nation near Caledonia, Ont. Their chief and council are supporting the family’s decision.

“We’re not going to allow any other agency to come in and apprehend our children. We went through that in the '40s and '50s and we’re not going to allow that again,” said Chief Bryan Laforme.

The Saults said their community has also created a group called the "Makayla defence force," a group of hundreds of community members ready to act if Children's Aid attempts to apprehend her.

“If someone does try to take Makayla away we are assured 100 per cent that people will be there to stop apprehension," said Sonya Sault. "People know the consequences and they’re willing to stand in and protect her at all costs.… If that’s what it comes down to, they need to be physical. We’re going to do what it takes to make sure that our daughter is protected.”

The Children’s Aid Society says it has a good working relationship with the New Credit First Nation and hopes to find a compromise. However, if a child is deemed to be in imminent danger, the society can act to remove a child.

“Obviously, we try to bring kids into care with the knowledge and consent of the chief and council. But there are situations when we are allowed to do what we need to do to save a child’s life.” said Andrew Koster, executive director of the Children’s Aid Society of Brant.

During the 11 weeks of chemotherapy, Makayla experienced severe side-effects that landed her in the intensive care unit.

“It's a mother's worst nightmare.… I remember I would just watch her, and listening to her pray, ‘Oh, God. Come and get me, come and take me from here.’ She said, ‘Mom,

[it’s] not the leukemia but it is the chemo that is going to kill me.'”

After Makayla said she had a spiritual encounter in her hospital room, she begged her parents not to make her return.

“I know that what I have can kill me but … Jesus came into my room and told me not to be afraid, so if I live or if I die, I am not afraid.”

The Saults won’t elaborate on the exact medicine Makayla is using but they feel it is already working.

“There are people in our community who have been on traditional medicines and are well today and are thriving. We know that our traditional medicines work. We know that our daughter is going to be OK.” says Sonya Sault.

The Children’s Aid Society is hoping to schedule a meeting with the family next week to discuss a possible compromise.

In 2008, a Hamilton boy was taken into care after he and his family refused chemotherapy for leukemia.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: canada; childrensaidsociety; makaylasault
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1 posted on 05/16/2014 11:11:20 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Had a neighbor who did this and he was dead within a couple of months.


2 posted on 05/16/2014 11:14:00 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 ((VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!))
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To: rickmichaels
She and her parents, Ken and Sonya Sault, have decided to forgo chemotherapy and instead use traditional medicine to fight leukemia.

Idiots

3 posted on 05/16/2014 11:14:04 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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4 posted on 05/16/2014 11:17:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: from occupied ga

while I don’t think chemo is always the best way, there are other good methods, some quite a bit better, but I think their idea of traditional wouldn’t apply.

Poor girl, but in the end it’s her choice, and I pray she either has Jesus, or finds him before it’s too late.


5 posted on 05/16/2014 11:17:14 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Red_Devil 232

I take traditional Chinese medicines,,,, sometimes. Even my Chinese herb doc knows when to go to a “Western” doctor!


6 posted on 05/16/2014 11:18:52 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Bulwyf

Just read the entire article, it does sound like she met Jesus, in which case she’s trusting God, and that’s always the best medicine for anything. He’s in control.


7 posted on 05/16/2014 11:19:13 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: rickmichaels
The Saults won’t elaborate on the exact medicine Makayla is using but they feel it is already working.

Let me guess: Rattles, a guy wearing a buffalo head chanting and prancing around, and handfuls of powder that go "WHOOSH" when thrown into the campfire.

Poor little girl!

Regards,

8 posted on 05/16/2014 11:20:07 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Bulwyf
Just read the entire article, it does sound like she met Jesus, in which case she’s trusting God, and that’s always the best medicine for anything. He’s in control.

Does that have a statistically better recovery rate than chemotherapy?

Regards,

9 posted on 05/16/2014 11:21:25 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: rickmichaels

I had lung cancer and told the oncologist to shove his chemo and radiation up his ass!


10 posted on 05/16/2014 11:21:56 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: rickmichaels

I wish more towns here would do this. And not just for forced medical issues.


11 posted on 05/16/2014 11:24:00 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: rickmichaels

We have achieved a +90% cure rate for ALL in children. I pray they are making the right decisions .


12 posted on 05/16/2014 11:24:29 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: dalereed

what happened dalereed?


13 posted on 05/16/2014 11:25:00 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: alexander_busek

“Let me guess: Rattles, a guy wearing a buffalo head chanting and prancing around, and handfuls of powder that go “WHOOSH” when thrown into the campfire.”

Oh, MDs have their pristine white outfits, their posturing, handfuls of pharmaceutical poisons that routinely are the third leading cause of death in America, along with advice that kills people, and their motto that “nothing heals like cold, hard steel.”

I’ve seen both. Campfires are nice.


14 posted on 05/16/2014 11:25:24 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: alexander_busek

Or perhaps turkeytail mushrooms. Look it up.

Or maybe extendo time in a sweat lodge? “Spontaneous remission” of cancer frequently follows an episode of high fever. Look that up, too.

Don’t trust me. Look it up.


15 posted on 05/16/2014 11:25:39 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: dalereed

Did you die?


16 posted on 05/16/2014 11:26:07 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: rickmichaels

Adults? Fine.Kids? No way! In a case here in Boston years ago the Christian Scientist parents of a little girl with cancer said the only treatment the girl would get would be some kind of prayers called for by that religion.The state said “no way”,after hearing testimony from many physicians.


17 posted on 05/16/2014 11:27:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: alexander_busek

My question as well...


18 posted on 05/16/2014 11:27:11 AM PDT by stormer
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To: rickmichaels

First Nations Love traditional -fill in the blank-


19 posted on 05/16/2014 11:28:19 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: null and void

Hell no, I killed a tumor in each lung with pills a friend makes and a third one with cyberknife and have been clean for 3 years.

Cemo and radiation is for idiots, if the cancer doesn’t kill you the treatment will.


20 posted on 05/16/2014 11:28:46 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: rickmichaels

ALL is the most common form of childhood leukemia. It has a 90%+ cure rate with best practices at the top children’s cancer centers.


21 posted on 05/16/2014 11:29:08 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: dalereed

I hope you had a surgeon remove the tumor.


22 posted on 05/16/2014 11:30:16 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dalereed

I’m not questioning your decision at all, but as a matter of interest, my mother was diagnosed with small-cell lung cancer at the age of 79. She had started smoking at age 17 and was a two-pack-a-day smoker all her life. She quit when she was diagnosed and went through months of chemo and radiation. Although it took its effects on her (she lost about 70 lbs. due to the treatment), it saved her life. I’m happy to say that at age 83, she’s alive and kicking. She absolutely loved the orchid I got her for Mother’s Day!!!


23 posted on 05/16/2014 11:30:57 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

Umm, hate to break it to ya, but when fighting cancer, chemo IS traditional medicine.


24 posted on 05/16/2014 11:32:15 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dalereed

That’s good. I’d hate to have you die having never eaten a Twinkie...


25 posted on 05/16/2014 11:32:18 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Bulwyf
Just read the entire article, it does sound like she met Jesus, in which case she’s trusting God, and that’s always the best medicine for anything. He’s in control.

"I sent you two boats and a helicopter."

26 posted on 05/16/2014 11:32:50 AM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: dangerdoc

“I hope you had a surgeon remove the tumor.”

Hell no!


27 posted on 05/16/2014 11:35:04 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: rickmichaels

Shouldn’t her parents and doctors be making these decisions and not a 10-year old girl?


28 posted on 05/16/2014 11:35:18 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: null and void

If I live another 20 years i’ll still die without eating a twinkie!!!


29 posted on 05/16/2014 11:36:53 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: alexander_busek

depends on the type of cancer.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Boogieman
You are part way there. Native medicine is a lot more than throwing stuff in the fire and rattling rattles (someone got the African variety in there somewhere). There is a long history of herbal lore passed down among healers.

Mrs. Joe's Grandmother had a tumor on her neck, and was told it was inoperable. The Medicine man was called in, and took a small, freshly killed bird, skinned and gutted it, and stuffed the body cavity with herbs he had brought with him. The bird was used as a poultice over the spot where the tumor was. When it was removed some hours later, the bird's carcass was full of tiny worms, and the tumor was gone. Gramma lived another decade, to finally die at a ripe old age. The doctor who had diagnosed the tumor could not explain it.

BTW, naturally occurring substances cannot be patented, but are often the source for pharmaceuticals which can be. While the main active ingredients may have been isolated and synthesized, it may be that other ingredients in the natural version enhance good effects and mitigate bad ones.

Until we get over the white coat dogma and the pure profit motive, we'll never know.

31 posted on 05/16/2014 11:44:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: rickmichaels
"Her doctors told her family that she would have a 75 per cent chance of survival if she continued treatment."

out of the eight years they go to college, part of that time must be taking courses on how to lie and sell chemotherapy and radiation.

32 posted on 05/16/2014 11:45:55 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: rickmichaels

Tough call and Makayla’s clearly a tough little girl. I hope she lives. Prayers for her survival.

In her situation, God forbid, I might make the same choice.


33 posted on 05/16/2014 11:46:10 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: null and void

“Spontaneous remission” of cancer frequently follows an episode of high fever.


Yup. In the early 1900s there was a significant amount of success with giving people diseases which caused high fevers for a few days. As the poor circulatory systems and rapid metabolism of many cancers allow toxins to build up more strongly in cancerous tissues, killing them first, the same general principle applies with heat.


34 posted on 05/16/2014 11:46:36 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Smokin' Joe

those “tiny worms” were probably maggots.


35 posted on 05/16/2014 11:48:10 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

In a freshly skinned bird, in just a few hours? It takes a lot of fly eggs to make maggots and it takes time. That just wasn’t there.


36 posted on 05/16/2014 11:50:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Bulwyf
there are other good methods, some quite a bit better

Like what?

37 posted on 05/16/2014 11:51:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: lepton
Yep. These days it's measles...
38 posted on 05/16/2014 11:52:05 AM PDT by null and void (When was the last time you heard anyone say: "It's a free country"?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Very interesting, Smokin’Joe.

I once had an M.D. who would never prescribe meds, used acupuncture instead. Worked for me for every ailment. Point is, modern medicine is “alternative” medicine; other healing systems have been working for millennia.

And yet, it’s a tough call when chemo and radiation have such a good record in cases like this — someone mentioned 90% cure rate.


39 posted on 05/16/2014 11:54:21 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: dalereed

So what happened??? What did you do instead of the chemo and radiation, if anything? Are you okay now? How long ago was this?


40 posted on 05/16/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: from occupied ga

many cancer docs wouldn’t go through chemo either. whether or not they believe in it, they know what it does to the body and they know it can kill you too.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/26/no-more-chemo-doctors-say-its-not-so-far-fetched/

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/fraud/chemo.htm


41 posted on 05/16/2014 11:57:35 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: dalereed
"Hell no, I killed a tumor in each lung with pills a friend makes and a third one with cyberknife and have been clean for 3 years.

Cemo and radiation is for idiots, if the cancer doesn’t kill you the treatment will."

Duh. Cyberknife is radiation.

42 posted on 05/16/2014 11:59:46 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Veto!
It is a tough call, but if your little girl was that sick that she saw Jesus come into her room and speak with her (I have been that bad off, once), you might consider things differently.
43 posted on 05/16/2014 12:01:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Nea Wood
Killed 2 tumors with pills a friend of mine made and the third one with cyberknife and have been clean for 3 years.
44 posted on 05/16/2014 12:03:00 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: SC DOC

not like the stinking oncologists put into you!


45 posted on 05/16/2014 12:04:19 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Secret Agent Man

After the surgeon removed my cancers, I chose to take my chances and skipped the chemo myself. A few percentage improvement in mortality vs 100% chance of morbidity.

Going on two years out without recurrence, it looks like I made the right choice.

But I had a solid tumor that doesn’t respond well to chemo, if I had leukemia, I would definitely try the chemo.


46 posted on 05/16/2014 12:13:23 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dalereed

That is fantastic! So happy for you!


47 posted on 05/16/2014 12:15:40 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: lepton

Back in the 80’s they were trying to treat cancer with heat in a research hospital I was training at, I never saw anything published but I haven’t seen anything about it since.


48 posted on 05/16/2014 12:19:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc
if I had leukemia, I would definitely try the chemo.

I think I would try Oxycontin with an exponentially-increasing titration once the pain got unbearable.

49 posted on 05/16/2014 12:20:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Bulwyf
...it does sound like she met Jesus, in which case she’s trusting God...

That is Great news then. Everything else is gravy.
On the scale of things, we are only here for a blink of an eye. Eternity is forever.
You need to be in Christ before you depart.

50 posted on 05/16/2014 12:22:20 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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