[SoConPubbie]

Please do not get me wrong, I am not saying we do not empathize with those that have suffered child abuse, that being said, whether or not that was part of the environment that a homosexual was raised in, the actions and choices that bring homosexuality into play are solely the responsibility of the sinner, no none else.

There is no quarter given in the bible to excuse sin because of the environment someone is raised in, none.

There is only the Gospel pointing to Christ and his sacrifice as the only way to forgiveness and victory over sin.

Everything else is simply a waste of time.

[william clark]

Actually, although I said that my prior post would be my last, I need to make one important clarification, then I'll be done.

There is no quarter given in the bible to excuse sin because of the environment someone is raised in, none.

I've not once suggested that sin be excused. Not once. Neither do I disagree with the remedy you articulate. We differ on where the sin occurs, and my position is that when you state that homosexual desire (that can lead to the sinful behavior) is itself a conscious choice, you are (with rare exceptions) making a demonstrably untrue statement that accomplishes nothing beyond making you appear to be self-righteous and wholly lacking in the compassion that scripture dictates we have for all men, including our enemies.

If you want to hear the applause of men for making such a pronouncement, fine. But if you have any hope of actually reaching someone with the message of rebirth who desperately needs to hear that they can be liberated from such feelings, you cannot begin by calling them liars, telling them that they consciously chose something that actually developed in them slowly over time without their understanding of it.