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Apostate Pastor Who Officiated Son’s Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Reinstated
Christian News Network ^ | June 25, 2014 | Editor

Posted on 06/26/2014 7:13:13 PM PDT by kingattax

In a reversal, an apostate Pennsylvania pastor who was defrocked last year for violating United Methodist law after he officiated at his son’s so-called same-sex wedding has been reinstated.

Frank Schaefer learned Tuesday (June 24) his ministerial credentials will be restored after the United Methodist’s Northeastern Jurisdictional Committee on Appeals voted 8-1 in his favor.

The committee, which held a hearing June 20 near Baltimore, found that “errors of Church law” had been used in imposing the penalty against Schaefer.

“I was wrongfully punished for standing with those who are discriminated against,” Schaefer said in a statement. “Today’s decision is a sign that the church is starting to listen.”

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Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,

1 posted on 06/26/2014 7:13:13 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Hier stehe ich; ich kann nicht anders.

Sad. The church moved, and now the pastor’s act is seen as one of principle, rather than misguided love.


2 posted on 06/26/2014 7:16:52 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: kingattax

Here we go again. . .first the Presbyterians and now the Methodists. How much more of this can God take. Look up!


3 posted on 06/26/2014 7:27:18 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: kingattax

so, to hell with what God said in the Bible, got to do what man says makes us “feel “ good. If I belonged to that church I would quit it.


4 posted on 06/26/2014 7:30:02 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: kingattax

I second that Scripture!


5 posted on 06/26/2014 7:30:08 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: kingattax

If you don’t rule your own home well you’re not qualified to be a pastor.


6 posted on 06/26/2014 7:32:57 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: kingattax

“I was wrongfully punished for standing with those who are discriminated against,” Schaefer said in a statement.

And what will his statement be when he stands before God surrounded by the personalities of God's discrimination : unrepentant idolaters, adulterers, sodomites, thieves, drunkards, slanderers, and swindlers, etc.


7 posted on 06/26/2014 7:35:12 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: kingattax

8 posted on 06/26/2014 7:36:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Maudeen

Catholics running a close third

I think we’re seeing the beginning of the end


9 posted on 06/26/2014 7:37:02 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: BenLurkin

“ear tickling” is a good description


10 posted on 06/26/2014 7:39:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: kingattax

11 posted on 06/26/2014 7:39:48 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Girlene

RINO —— Reverend In Name Only


12 posted on 06/26/2014 7:41:48 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: kingattax

Sounds like this pastor doesn’t really take the Bible very seriously.


13 posted on 06/26/2014 7:48:13 PM PDT by boycott
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To: kingattax

I hope that’s not the son of Francis Schaeffer!


14 posted on 06/26/2014 7:48:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: fish hawk
Like the Presbies, the Methodists have been fairly traditional in the pews, but ruled by a band of apostate prelates.
15 posted on 06/26/2014 7:48:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Girlene
Looks like he's coming off a week long drunk.
16 posted on 06/26/2014 7:50:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Girlene

Seems ole rev. Frank is making it more about himself than the one it’s supposed to be about.


17 posted on 06/26/2014 7:54:56 PM PDT by boycott
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To: evangmlw

Yep....he’s loving the spotlight.


18 posted on 06/26/2014 7:56:55 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Star Traveler

It is indeed.


19 posted on 06/26/2014 7:59:16 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: boycott

Yes, he has.


20 posted on 06/26/2014 8:03:38 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Bainbridge

I knew he went “over the cliff”regarding his father, but I had lost track of him. What a waste and a shame!


21 posted on 06/26/2014 8:10:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kingattax

Mike S. Adams summed up the UMC very well 7 years ago-

http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2007/01/31/open_hearts%2c_open_minds%2c_and_open_legs/page/full


22 posted on 06/26/2014 8:10:59 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Star Traveler

This is a different Frank Schaeffer. This UMC “pastor” is no relation to the great Presbyterian theologian.


23 posted on 06/26/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Bainbridge

Actually, I believe that I was incorrect and that he is not.

He is,however, insane. I was reading on his Reddit thread,http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1zjtiw/i_am_frank_schaefer_the_methodist_minister_who/,

where he says, “ 3 of my 4 children are gay”. Don’t need to know much more about this guy.


24 posted on 06/26/2014 8:12:32 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: ReformationFan

What is ole Frankie Schaeffer doing these days? The last I heard, I believe he was involved with the Russian Orthodox Church.


25 posted on 06/26/2014 8:14:21 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: xzins

xzins, are you a member of the UMC?


26 posted on 06/26/2014 8:20:42 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Star Traveler

He’s become a liberal apostate. I think he’s trying to be a clone of Ron Reagan, Jr.


27 posted on 06/26/2014 8:23:49 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Maudeen

No, first the Episscopalians, then everyone else.

Catholicism is our only hope and that’s starting to fall too.


28 posted on 06/26/2014 8:28:21 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks ( Laughter is the best medicine, unless you have diarrhea.)
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To: kingattax

“I was wrongfully punished for standing with those who are discriminated against,” Schaefer said in a statement

Nothing wrong with discriminating towards perverts.....


29 posted on 06/26/2014 9:01:27 PM PDT by 48th SPS (Not Republican. Not a Democrat. I am an American)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Presbyterians, Methodists, Catholics, then Baptists will fall to this same perversion. Love the people, show and read the Bible to them, preach the word to them, if they don’t learn its an abomination, shake the dust off your feet, and dismiss any leadership that teaches otherwise. PENTECOSTAL churches still preach its an abomination and its not sugar coated either , and is sin no matter how much they “Love” each other. They Pentecostal churches will be the churches that will be shut down and attacked by the government and liberals


30 posted on 06/26/2014 9:58:10 PM PDT by Ponyexpress9790
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To: Girlene

I am an ordained elder (minister) in the UMC.

This link is a good explanation of where we are at this moment:

http://juicyecumenism.com/2014/06/22/the-coming-methodist-split/


31 posted on 06/27/2014 4:42:29 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Star Traveler

It’s not Frankie Schaeffer


32 posted on 06/27/2014 4:45:42 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Bainbridge

It is not the same guy


33 posted on 06/27/2014 4:46:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I found some information on Francis Schaeffer’s son ... now called Frank Schaeffer ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Schaeffer


34 posted on 06/27/2014 8:40:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Ponyexpress9790

Sadly, there are even some churches claiming to be Pentecostal who have fallen into this apostasy - google “affirming pentecostal churches” to see what I mean...

Fortunately the Assemblies of God are still preaching the Word of God, calling sin for what it is (in ALL of its forms) and leading people to salvation - not trying to tell them that sin is suddenly okay because it is now popular with the public...


35 posted on 06/27/2014 8:50:38 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the info. So if the churches cannot perform same sex marriages, how was this guy able to get his minister credentials restored and with back pay?


36 posted on 06/27/2014 11:39:03 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Girlene

The bottom line is: (1) there is no authority above the level of bishop, and (2) there is a corrupt hierarchy in that region of the US. They had a sham hearing and let the guy off regardless of the rules. With no authority above bishop there is no one to call them to account.

Our denominational supreme court (Judicial Council) could hear the case and decide their exhoneration was contrary to the church constitution and force them to return to the original ruling.


37 posted on 06/27/2014 1:43:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks for the info, Star. As you can see, Francis Shaeffer’s son and this Methodist minister are not the same person.


38 posted on 06/27/2014 2:00:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I see. Thank you.


39 posted on 06/27/2014 2:27:00 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Girlene

Methodism is divided into regions and over each region is a bishop. We call the regions “conferences”. Ohio has 2 regions, east and west. East Ohio has a bishop and West Ohio has a bishop. There is no over-bishop to control them if they get out of line, and once assigned, they are there a minimum of 4 years unless there is a trial that removes them. They mention in this article a committee that found the ruling to remove Frank Schaeffer out of order. Each of our conferences is banded together into groups of about half a dozen, and this is called a jurisdiction. There is, however, no one over it. They can form committees to rule on questions put to them. Since the US northeast is one of our most liberal regions, the committee members selected by their liberal bishops were all liberals. IOW, fox overseeing the hen house.

My conference, West Ohio, has had a mighty struggle between liberals and conservatives for decades with the bishops and their bureaucracies and favored pastors being liberal and the people in the pews being conservative...for the most part. For years our delegation every 4 years to the denominational rules writing and oversight body, the “General Conference” have been more evangelical conservative than not. We have contributed to the denominations rules remaining conservative.

The southern US conferences have also been, for the most part, conservative. Gravitating against the liberals is the rule that gives delegates to a region based on their numbers of members in their churches. The liberal churches have declined and the conservative churches have grown. The churches in Africa are conservative and they have exploded and not just grown. So, the VOTERS elected to the general conferences have tended to be conservative by slim but growing margins. Therefore, the rules we have tend to be conservative.

Bishops, however, are not just virtually untouchable, but they also are not chosen by this General Conference. They are chosen by these “jurisdictions”, and for whatever reason America is geographically liberal in the northeast the west and the great lakes. It gets more conservative as you go south. Remember, though, that the Africans do not influence these votes. What results is the election of liberal bishops because the ministers only who select them also tend toward moderate to liberal.

I know this is all very involved, but any denomination has an involved church governance. Ours is especially so. On top of that at any trial, the Methodist Church has rules of evidence and rights of the accused that are almost mirror images of the American judicial system. In other words, it’s pretty much impossible to convict anyone of anything without witnesses or confessions on the part of the accused.

Did I thoroughly confuse you? I hope not. :>)

The bottom line is that Africa is causing United Methodism to trend conservative.


40 posted on 06/27/2014 5:49:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
I've been attending a Methodist church for the last couple of years but had no idea how they were organized. Thank you for that explanation.

The bottom line is that Africa is causing United Methodism to trend conservative.

Yay for Africa!
41 posted on 06/27/2014 8:57:35 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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