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Ruger 77/44 44 Mag bolt action carbine
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Posted on 07/08/2014 12:10:51 PM PDT by Beagle8U

I just picked up a new Ruger 77/44 bolt action and wondered if anyone here has any experience with them, or favorite loads/reloads for them?

It is a SS 44 Mag bolt action carbine with an 18 1/2 inch barrel and Synthetic stock.

Michigan just passed a law that will allow pistol cartridge rifles to be used for deer hunting in the 'shotgun zone', so I plan to use it for hunting deer.

I'm thinking 240 grain semi-jacketed softpoints should do the job out to 125 yds or so.


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Any comments or advice on loads etc appreciated.
1 posted on 07/08/2014 12:10:51 PM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: Beagle8U

You might consider jacketed soft points instead of hollow points. You’ll get better penetration at the range you describe with soft points. The hollow points might ‘blow up’ too early before they can penetrate to vitals.

Your mileage may vary...


2 posted on 07/08/2014 12:17:35 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: Beagle8U

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-77-44.htm


3 posted on 07/08/2014 12:18:06 PM PDT by GSAonce
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To: Beagle8U

Geez! disregard my post - I mis read your original and see that you said “soft points”.

My apologies.


4 posted on 07/08/2014 12:18:28 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: Beagle8U
I have loaded some .44 for lever guns. Take advantage of the long barrel and use slower powder. I used W296 and H110 alot. Haven't loaded for awhile, those may be obsolete.
5 posted on 07/08/2014 12:21:28 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: Beagle8U

Suppress it. Perfect hog hunting gun.


6 posted on 07/08/2014 12:26:38 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Beagle8U

!


7 posted on 07/08/2014 12:27:26 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Jihadist/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: CrazyIvan; Beagle8U
I like 24 gr H110 and a mag primer behind a 240 gr SP/HP. Powerful and accurate.

Don't use reduced loads with H110 or W296.

8 posted on 07/08/2014 12:27:52 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Beagle8U

My children and my self have killed dozens of deer with a 357 max carbine and 158gr SPs out to 150 yards.

You well have no trouble with your 44 mag, I like to use H110 and a near max load with any 240gr JSP well work just fine for deer.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 12:27:59 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Beagle8U

I took two off my property this year with a S&W model 29 with an 8-3/8” barrel, neither went more than about 30 yards before dropping, one medium size buck and a very big doe.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/hornady/20-rd-box-44-magnum-hornady-225-grain-ftx-lever-evolution-ammo-92782


10 posted on 07/08/2014 12:28:12 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: CrazyIvan

I think that 296 and 110 are now the same thing.

I’m pretty sure Alliant bought out Hodgen.


11 posted on 07/08/2014 12:31:45 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: CrazyIvan

W296 and H110 are still made (good luck finding any) and are also used in loading .410 shotshells.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 12:32:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DCBryan1

“Suppress it.”

Illegal in Michigan, no hogs anyway.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 12:33:42 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Care to mention the price or range of prices?

I’d have to study some ballistics to be sure but it seems this fits into the same area as a .30-30. OTOH, with a synthetic stock & stainless barrel/receiver/action, there’s a lot to like about that combo, too. The weight also appears to be good for long carries.


14 posted on 07/08/2014 12:36:17 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Beagle8U
its illegal

Bronco Bama likes to ignore federal law. I'd like to see mass disobedience to federal law by civilians get as little attention from the DOJ and media.

15 posted on 07/08/2014 12:36:24 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Beagle8U

My favorite .44 Mag load is a Hornady 300gr. XTP over 20 grains of H110 or WW 296 with a magnum pistol primer. In my Marlin 1894 lever action it is very accurate and hits with authority. Works well in my Ruger Redhawk revolver too.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 12:36:52 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: MileHi

That is about what I had planned for a load, CCI 350 primer, 25 gr 110, 240 gr SJSP.

I haven’t bought any components yet.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 12:38:12 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: DCBryan1

http://www.srtarms.com/7744.htm


18 posted on 07/08/2014 12:38:44 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Beagle8U

I know your using a bolt action model, but the Hornaday Flex Tip rounds (designed for lever action rifles) have good performance at 100-150 yds. According to their specs, you’d get 1225 fps and 800 ft lbs from their 160 grain Flex Tip at 100 yds with that barrel length.


19 posted on 07/08/2014 12:41:30 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: T-Bird45

Yup, weighs less than 6 lbs until you add a scope.

The Mfg list price is about $925. I paid a tad under $700.


20 posted on 07/08/2014 12:43:29 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U
the .44cal magnum round is a great deer gun in heavy brush. 50 yard shots are deadly to deer, hogs, and even black bear.
Ruger used to make a semi-auto carbine. We used to call it the guerrilla killer.
21 posted on 07/08/2014 12:44:55 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: edpc

I read somewhere that the hornady flex tip doesn’t feed well in the rotary magazine of the 77/44.


22 posted on 07/08/2014 12:48:22 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

“I’m pretty sure Alliant bought out Hodgen.”

No mention of that on Hodgdon website:
https://www.hodgdon.com/history.html


23 posted on 07/08/2014 12:48:44 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Beagle8U

Ooops...my mistake. I copied the 30-30 ballistics info by mistake. Their 225g .44 would be traveling 1416 fps and have 1002 ft lbs of energy at 100 yds from a 20” barrel. The flex tip design reportedly offers more consistent expansion and bullet performance.


24 posted on 07/08/2014 12:50:16 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Doc91678

Shot my first deer with a 44 semi-auto...Dropped it on the spot...


25 posted on 07/08/2014 12:55:03 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Pretty cool poacher’s gun.

I doubt the MI DNR would find any humor in it though.


26 posted on 07/08/2014 12:58:00 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

I killed a 300# bear with that load in an 8” wheel gun. A few deer met the same fate. None ever went 30 yards.


27 posted on 07/08/2014 12:58:55 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: GSAonce

Good article, thanks!


28 posted on 07/08/2014 1:05:29 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: KitJ

No problem.


29 posted on 07/08/2014 1:05:53 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

H110 and Winchester 296 are basically the same powder. The other good powders to use are 2400, Accurate Arms #9, and 4227. All with 240 grain bullet.


30 posted on 07/08/2014 1:06:52 PM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: TexasRepublic

I don’t know for sure, but all the reloading websites said they were bought out by Aligiant. (SP?)


31 posted on 07/08/2014 1:09:34 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: MCF

I had pretty much decided on 110 or 2400 for powder, but wanted to run it by FReepers for input.


32 posted on 07/08/2014 1:13:14 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: edpc

I’m hoping to get the 240 gr SJSP up to about 1800 fps at the muzzle, or a tad more.

I think the bullet has a BC of .16 or .18.

That should grind their grits pretty good at 100 yds.


33 posted on 07/08/2014 1:23:28 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Thanks for the extra info and good luck with your load development!


34 posted on 07/08/2014 1:26:38 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I haven’t even sighted it in yet, just got it this afternoon.


35 posted on 07/08/2014 1:31:13 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Ohio just did something similar with straight jacketed rifle shells. Goes into effect this fall.


36 posted on 07/08/2014 1:33:41 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k

Yup, MI, OH, and IN now have pretty much the same law for deer guns.

MI does allow regular rifles up north though.


37 posted on 07/08/2014 1:46:17 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: reed13k
...straight jacketed rifle shells.

What does that mean?

38 posted on 07/08/2014 2:12:50 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Beagle8U

More important, can it penetrate a blue helmet at 125 yards?


39 posted on 07/08/2014 2:39:22 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MileHi

I’m sure he means straight walled pistol cartridges used in a rifle.


40 posted on 07/08/2014 3:58:10 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Doc91678

The Ruger 10/44. Had a chance to buy one cheap a while back. Wish I’d grabbed it.


41 posted on 07/08/2014 4:05:23 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Beagle8U

OK, sounds right.


42 posted on 07/08/2014 4:24:28 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: T-Bird45; All

OK, my son went to pick up some components to start out with. Stuff is hard to find in stock locally.

H-110 powder, Federal LP mag primers, Sierra 210 JSP.

I’m going to start with 26.5 grains of H-110.

That will give about 1950+ fps out of the 18 1/2” carbine barrel.

The barrel on the Ruger 77/44 is 1-20 RH rifling.

With a .16 BC it will have well over 1,000 fpe at 100 yds and nearly 900 fpe at 150 yds.

If that load proves accurate I may just stick with that one.

That yields a Taylor KO factor of 25. ( The 30/06 with a 150 gr at 3,000 fps is only a TKO factor of 19.)

I’m thinking it will kill a deer.


43 posted on 07/08/2014 4:32:15 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: JimRed

I’ll bet it will.


44 posted on 07/08/2014 4:34:07 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Lurker

“The Ruger 10/44. Had a chance to buy one cheap a while back. Wish I’d grabbed it.”

44 Mag rifles are flying off the shelves in MI and OH now.

Both states just made them legal for deer hunting this fall. The dealers can’t keep anything in stock.

I bought mine on Gunbroker.com and had it shipped to a local dealer.


45 posted on 07/08/2014 4:42:30 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: MileHi

post 43 has my load that I settled on to start with.


46 posted on 07/08/2014 4:44:41 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

http://www.reloadammo.com/tkofactor2.htm


47 posted on 07/08/2014 4:49:17 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

Sounds about right. That 210 is a fine pill.


48 posted on 07/08/2014 5:11:37 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Iscool

My cousin owned one and I’ve seen the effects of the .44cal mag. Amen.


49 posted on 07/08/2014 9:59:39 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: MileHi

I don’t know the correct term off the top of my head, but they aren’t pinched down/tapered on the brass next where the lead goes. The brass wall is straight up to the bullet.


50 posted on 07/09/2014 3:06:40 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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