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Who owns airspace above your property?
7-16-14 | Me

Posted on 07/16/2014 5:46:17 AM PDT by Paul46360

With all the talk about PODs (personally owned drones) that could fly over your fence and peek into your pool or hover above your property, I was wondering if it could be SHOT down??
Is there an expectation of airspace owner ship / privacy immediately over your property? How far AGL (above ground level)is NOT FAA jurisdiction?
I believe that this will be the next step into property rights intrusion.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Local News; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: airspace; drones; landowner; property

1 posted on 07/16/2014 5:46:17 AM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Paul46360

The quad 50 in my backyard ensures my privacy.


2 posted on 07/16/2014 5:47:16 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Paul46360

Model 870 Pump patrols my airspace.


3 posted on 07/16/2014 5:48:56 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Paul46360

If I can hit it, it is too low and deserves what it gets. ;-)


4 posted on 07/16/2014 5:52:19 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Paul46360

Best thing to do is look at a VFR sectional (map of the flight space in the US). There are websites that show them free. Without knowing if you live within the airspace of a nearby airport I would say that most likely up to 700 feet above your house is uncontrolled airspace.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 5:53:06 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Paul46360

Best thing to do is look at a VFR sectional (map of the flight space in the US). There are websites that show them free. Without knowing if you live within the airspace of a nearby airport I would say that most likely up to 700 feet above your house is uncontrolled airspace.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 5:53:06 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: ThunderSleeps

PULL!


7 posted on 07/16/2014 5:54:23 AM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: Paul46360

I’ve often wondered how broadcasters, narrow casters and satellite providers can legally prevent me from freely accessing the signal the spread over and through my airspace.


8 posted on 07/16/2014 5:54:25 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Paul46360

FAA Regs:

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:

(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.

(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.

(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.

(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 5:56:43 AM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority
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To: Paul46360

IIRC it’s your private airspace up to 1,000 ft AGL or so. Have to check with FAA regs on this one.

Watch for Dingy Harry Reid to introduce the “Federal Drone Protection Act”.

You only have to hit one of those four little rotors.

;^)


10 posted on 07/16/2014 5:56:43 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Paul46360

If a drone flies in my yard, it goes down. Then it becomes mine.


11 posted on 07/16/2014 5:58:40 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: Paul46360

I realize Wikipedia is unreliable, but it’s got some interesting points on air rights.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights


12 posted on 07/16/2014 6:01:37 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Yorlik803

Quality ADA right there.


13 posted on 07/16/2014 6:02:37 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Paul46360
In class B airspace, the five mile radious from the iarport extends down to the surface. It then works outward, with the 30mile radius beginning at 10,000 feet. It's like an upside down tiered wedding cake. The rest, class "C" airspace is uncontrolled from the surface to 18,000 feet. Anything above 18,000 feet everywhere is controlled and comprises "J" Routes or class "A" airspace.

If you don't live within ten miles of a big city airport, you're ok.

14 posted on 07/16/2014 6:04:15 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Paul46360

Short answer is it is unsure right now. You have some claim to low level airspace, but that is not defined (same with going the other direction on mineral rights).

So if the drone is under 20 feet or so, you may have a case.


15 posted on 07/16/2014 6:05:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: muir_redwoods
I’ve often wondered how broadcasters, narrow casters and satellite providers can legally prevent me from freely accessing the signal the spread over and through my airspace.

They can't. But they don't have to provide these items unencrypted, either.

16 posted on 07/16/2014 6:10:45 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Paul46360

Wonder the same thing. I think it might be a lot of fun! Maybe we could buy drone “skeets” and make a thrilling sport of it!


17 posted on 07/16/2014 6:14:08 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: blackdog

Flying a drone over my home, to my way of thinking, unless it’s a kid’s toy and I’ve been warned about it by a considerate neighbor…is a prima facie hostile act. But I’d love for it to be close enough for a shotgun...


18 posted on 07/16/2014 6:17:21 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Paul46360

I took my Phantom up last week to have a look around and discovered a flooded rice field across the river from me. Now I know where all of the mosquitos are coming from!


19 posted on 07/16/2014 6:22:29 AM PDT by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Paul46360

We haven’t even got property ownership in the strict sense, let alone the air space above it. Best be quiet or they’ll start taxing that, too.


20 posted on 07/16/2014 6:24:45 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: FBD

Very good..air rights..


21 posted on 07/16/2014 6:25:16 AM PDT by Paul46360 (..)
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To: blackdog

Is that 10 ground or air miles to airport?


22 posted on 07/16/2014 6:26:31 AM PDT by Paul46360 (..)
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To: muir_redwoods

They can’t, but the signals are encoded so that you need a decoder to view them.


23 posted on 07/16/2014 6:26:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Mamzelle

Tether helium balloons dangling fishing lines. It makes a real mess of the propeller and will bring one down.


24 posted on 07/16/2014 6:28:09 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Paul46360

Here in Maine, circa 1990, I was visiting a blueberry field with my father.

It was August, and the wild Maine blueberries were being harvested by the blueberry “rakers.”

There was a National Guard helicopter flying very low and slow over the edges of the fields, where the blueberry fields and the woods meet. I asked someone what the helicopter was doing there, and he said, “They’re looking for marijuana plants.”

The chopper was only about 20 - 30 feet off the ground.

Even then, I thought it was an invasion of privacy and a warrantless search. I was ticked off, even though I didn’t even know the owner of the field. My father and I were visiting the guy in charge of the blueberry rakers.

No “pot” plants were found.


25 posted on 07/16/2014 6:34:39 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I know several NG chopper pilots tell of looking for marijuana plants in central Texas. The bad thing was that there were marijuana patches on Camp Mabry and Camp Swift, both military reservations. They did find some plots in Bastrop county.


26 posted on 07/16/2014 6:49:59 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Even if I build my win decoder or buy one from an online provider, I’m still barred from accessing the signal. Further, walk completely around a radio or non-cable television. You’ll discover that the signal is sent right through your body.


27 posted on 07/16/2014 7:20:56 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Paul46360

My backyard airspace is a strictly enforced NO-FLY ZONE established in 1950`s under the Ground Observer Corps Act as an observation tower area for spotting low-flying Russian planes. That ACT is still a law...no aircraft allowed overhead for up to 60,000 feet altitude.


28 posted on 07/16/2014 7:26:13 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Paul46360
With all the talk about...drones...that could fly over your fence and peek into your pool or hover above your property, I was wondering if it could be SHOT down??

Are you asking if it is LEGAL to shoot them down, or if it is POSSIBLE to shoot them down?

I have not read beyond the OP, but I will say this:

Yes, it is.

They will be ruled, sooner or later, to be an unwarranted and unwanted intrusion onto private property and as such, can be removed by whatever means necessary.

As far as possible...I suggest a 12 gauge, 3 inch magnum (although, if you're good enough a regular 2 and three quarter will do it) or 3 and 1/2 inch magnum, #4 turkey load.

I can and I will shoot down any and all drones that I see over my property.

Obviously, if I cannot see them, I can't engage them, but sooner or later, the technology that allows them to intrude from unseen heights, will also allow for a device to uncloak them and be seen by those on the ground with the appropriate weaponry and equipment.

So, for any lurking 3-letter alphabet agency puke that may be monitoring, listen up and listen well:

If it flies, and I see it, IT DIES. And , Mr. alphabet guy, if you have a problem with that, come see me.

Now, as for MANNED aircraft (a drone is unmanned, by definition), there are laws already in place that restrict the operation of them, although we all know how the laws are ignored by the local constabularies and the aforementioned alphabet agencies.

In a perfect world, they could not operate below established minimums and would be subject to the FAA (another alphabet agency), blah, blah.

So, it really is a moot point and argument is fruitless.

Suffice to say, if I look up from my property and see a buzzing little helicopeter-looking thingy, looking back at me, it is as good as dead.

And I will use the remnants of said buzzing little helicopeter-looking thingy to play with and to use on my own little buzzing helicopeter-looking thingy, and I dare you, no, I double-dog dare you to come looking for the remnants or seek remuneration.

29 posted on 07/16/2014 8:01:57 AM PDT by OldSmaj (obama is a worthless mohametan. Impeach his ass now!)
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To: bunkerhill7
looks like it was DEE-ACTED..

By 1952 the program was expanded in Operation Skywatch with over 750,000 volunteers at over 16 thousand posts (98 per post in shifts) and 75 centers. The program ended in 1958 [1] with the advent of the automated 1959 USAF radar network (SAGE) and the automated Army networks (Missile Master). GOC volunteers were encouraged to continue their service in the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service (RACES).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_Observer_Corps

30 posted on 07/16/2014 9:13:16 AM PDT by Paul46360 (..)
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To: Paul46360

I don’t know what it is now but when I originally went for my Fla real estate license many years ago the air rights to property went up 1000 ft in the air. I’m not sure what it is in GA.


31 posted on 07/16/2014 10:03:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Paul46360

DANG!
What do I do with this tower?


32 posted on 07/16/2014 10:18:02 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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