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The evidence that the Russian separatists shot down the Malaysian aircraft is overwhelming, largely because they utterly and totally incriminated themselves with photos, video, posts and breathless news releases crowing about "another AN-26" getting shot down a full hour before Malaysia Airlines first reported a missing airplane.

It was originally posted on the personal page of Igor Girkin on the Russian version of Facebook vk.com, which he has been using for months as his own personal propaganda outlet. He's still posting alibis over there with the incriminating post deleted, of course.

In it he clearly says that his forces downed "another AH-26" and even posts two video clips of the planes getting shot down.

It's deleted now, but nothing ever gets off the Internet once it's on there. If you think that that post was a clever photoshop, Google Cache has the original incriminating post archived.

If that's still not enough, or if you think Google is somehow working with the Ukrainians in a coverup, or got hacked by the NSA or something, even ITAR-TASS, a Russian propaganda organ still has a post up reporting on "eyewitnesses" that witnessed Russian rebels shooting down a AH-26.

If that's STILL not enough proof, or if you think that ITAR-TASS was somehow tricked by the CIA, NSA, NATO into reporting that a AN-26 was shot down less than an hour before the world realized it was a commercial plane, both RIA Novoski and Life News, again both Russian propaganda outlets still have reports up of an AN-16 being shot down over Eastern Ukraine a full hour before the horrific truth came out.

Many of us will acknowledge that the Separatists probably did it.

But, if this is so, what good does it do to argue over who did it? Question is, should we and if so, what are we to do about it in light of the poor condition America is in at the time. How are we to stop Russians when we can’t even stop what is happening in America?

And...is it our job to go it alone? A fear of many.

These are questions. Not support of Putin.

Thanks for being a sane poster. It is appreciated.

Just making it crystal clear why the separatists almost certainly shot it down. Note that they incriminate themselves without any help from the LSM, Ukraine or Obama or the EU.

Here's a larger snapshot of the first incriminating post, translated via Google Translate. (Untranslated image is at the end)

You can see that he claims a AH-26 was shot down at 17:50 (5:50 PM) MSK aka Moscow Standard Time. which would be around 9:50 AM EST aka Eastern Standard Time.

The reports that a Malaysian commercial plane "crashed" near the Russian border was first posted on FR at 11:25 AM EST, just one hour and a half later.

The Google Cached webpage of the incriminating post also has a timestamp showing it was archived on 17 July 2014 16:10:43 GMT,

16:10:43 GMT aka 4:11 PM GMT, which is 11:11 AM EST, just 20 minutes before reports of a crashed plane started circulating.

ITAR-TASS, RIA Novoski and Life News, all Russian propaganda outlets, reported that an AN-26 was downed by the rebels an hour before the truth came out.

All quoted "eyewitnesses" and the rebels themselves as admitting to it, and posted photos and videos of it a full hour before up to an hour after a commercial plane was reported to have "crashed", via their own websites and social media posts which I have linked to.

RIA Novoski reported an AN-26 shot down by separatists at 18:13 Moscow Time July 17. (translated from Russian)

Life News reported an AN-26 shot down by separatists at 18:34 Moscow Time July 17. (translated from Russian)

ITAR-TASS reported an AN-26 shot down by separatists at 20:01 Moscow Time July 17.(first English-language Russian source reporting this).

You can check for yourselves, and then realize that reports of the missing airliner surfaced about an hour afterwards at 11:30 EST aka 19:30 Moscow Time that a plane had "crashed" in Eastern Ukraine. Of course, the Russians are probably going to delete those reports soon once they get their bearings on this catastrophe.

These Russians and Paid Mercenaries murdered these innocent people and then ROBBED their dead bodies and then destroyed the evidence at the Crash site and stole the black box.

These Putin groupies defend , lie, and justify these soulless monster actions no matter what the circumstance using bizarre logic.

Putin and his Russians henchman in the Ukraine are pure evil and would snap these clueless Putin groupies necks and piss and dance on there dead bodies for kicks. It must be the living nightmare for the families to know these Russians robbed and abused these loved ones bodies and then left them to rot and then Shot at the rescuers . The Putin groupies here must be very PROUD of Putie and his thugs. Sickening.

Social media is too easily manipulated to be considered reliable proof, certainly not before an investigation into the cause of the crash.

The Ukrainian military has to be considered one of the prime suspects as they are known to have BUK missile batteries in the area, and have ‘accidentally’ shot down a commercial airliner before themselves.

An impartial investigation has to include a complete accounting of their weapon systems, starting with the specific missile batteries the Russians asserted were active on July 17th.

ps. all democrats are douches...including corporate ones.