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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sarah doesn’t understand. Impeachment has nothing to do with crimes and justice. Crimes are a necessary part of the process, of course, but justice does not play at all. In our justice system, we assemble an impartial jury to listen to evidence and provide a fair and honest verdict. Through this system, justice is served.

Impeachment, on the other hand, is a purely political instrument. There is a trial unlike anything in our justice system. The jurors are the members of the Senate, a thoroughly partisan political body and they will not seed justice, they will meet out politics. A Senate that includes at least one third Democrat members will never convict a Democrat President unless the American people, including Democrat constituents, are demanding that they do so.

No such condition currently exists and until circumstances change, impeachment would not give conservatives what they want and would almost certainly hurt our cause.

Elections and impeachment fit into the same category, they are political tools and the only one available to us at the moment is the election tool.


8 posted on 07/20/2014 8:06:59 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

“.....talk of impeachment ‘has got him nervous.’”......

And unfortunately it will go no where!


9 posted on 07/20/2014 8:09:10 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: centurion316
-- No such condition currently exists and until circumstances change, impeachment would not give conservatives what they want and would almost certainly hurt our cause. --

My impression is that Palin is working to change the circumstances.

Coming from her, as opposed to coming from an elected federal politician, does no harm. She is voicing a principle. I think you are correct about the realpolitik of it. Republicans are doomed to suffer a corrupt presidency because at least a third of the politicians (and probably closer to 90%) will defend wrongdoing, provided they find a personal benefit to doing so.

10 posted on 07/20/2014 8:15:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: centurion316
Indeed. With the current make up of the "Worlds Greatest Dysfunctional Body" Obama is impossible to remove - but he's removed himself already (kind of)

Still, the House has an obligation to do their duty - which I guess is nothing. What a dangerous precedent

15 posted on 07/20/2014 8:28:41 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: centurion316

You are partially correct. The House of Representatives could easily impeach him, ala Clinton, but the Senate would actually convict. The Senate did not convict Clinton because the Democrat Senators saw no evidence worthy of conviction. They did not go down into the Senate basement and actually look at the evidence. As long as they never looked, they could honestly say they saw nothing worthy of conviction.

Should we impeach or let it ride since the current Senate would never vote for conviction. It is easy to see and agree with both sides, but maybe the airing of the crimes he committed would solidify the conservative base. I do not know, I am not prescient.


21 posted on 07/20/2014 9:20:39 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: centurion316; Cringing Negativism Network
8 Sarah doesn’t understand. Impeachment has nothing to do with crimes and justice. Crimes are a necessary part of the process, of course, but justice does not play at all. In our justice system, we assemble an impartial jury to listen to evidence and provide a fair and honest verdict. Through this system, justice is served.

Impeachment, on the other hand, is a purely political instrument. There is a trial unlike anything in our justice system. The jurors are the members of the Senate, a thoroughly partisan political body and they will not seed justice, they will meet out politics. A Senate that includes at least one third Democrat members will never convict a Democrat President unless the American people, including Democrat constituents, are demanding that they do so.

No such condition currently exists and until circumstances change, impeachment would not give conservatives what they want and would almost certainly hurt our cause.

Elections and impeachment fit into the same category, they are political tools and the only one available to us at the moment is the election tool.

Nailed it!

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution is designed only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.” John Adams, Founding Father, signatory to the Declaration of Indpendence, POTUS #02

24 posted on 07/20/2014 1:36:57 PM PDT by MacNaughton ("... something wicked this way comes." 1606, Macbeth, Act IV Scene i, by the "Bard")
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