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Windows 8 Died at Launch, Microsoft Moves on to Windows 9
The Daily Caller ^ | 7/28/2014 | Andy Patrizio

Posted on 07/28/2014 4:25:25 PM PDT by markomalley

Microsoft attempted something different and daring with Windows 8. It introduced a whole new interface and means of interaction with your PC that was identical to a smartphone or tablet. It threw out the “Start” menu and mouse-driven interface people had used for decades in favor of a touch-driven interface with tiles, some of which received active information updates.

And people hated it.

“They tried to get their entire audience to jump from a UI [user interface] they were comfortable with to a brand new one with a serious learning curve,” California-based Creative Strategies tech analyst and president Tim Bajarin said. “Had they done a more transitionary product, especially keeping the Start button, I don’t think the impact and perception would have been as bad.”

By removing the Start button, which had been a Windows fixture since Windows 95, Microsoft wasn’t just introducing a new way of using the operating system — it was trying to force people away from the only one they had known for two decades.

The result was that Windows 8 was slaughtered in the court of public opinion, often compared to the much-maligned Windows Vista released in 2006. It was an incorrect comparison; Vista was a technological hairball, a truly awful piece of software that often failed when people tried to install it on their PCs.

Windows 8 was technically sound. No one complained of crashing, slow performance or old apps not working on it. People noted it was actually a tad faster than Windows 7, they just hated how it looked. The result was slow sales for Windows 8, but Windows 7, the OS it was supposed to replace, kept selling like hotcakes.

“Its distinguishing feature was support for touchscreens but also legacy applications,” Endpoint Technologies President Roger Kay said. Endpoint is a Boston-based market research firm. “It ended up being a Frankenstein. So the good parts, like being a little faster and more reliable and more secure were almost totally invisible to the end user. So you could tell people it was faster and more reliable and they said ‘I don’t know how to use it.’”

Kay said the beating Windows 8 took in the tech press hurt, but users also hated it. Microsoft released a public beta for anyone to download and use on February 29, 2012, and released the product in October, 2012. During that time, in all the public Windows forums, “consumers were gnashing their teeth and stomping their feet about it. It was vilified in public forums,” Kay said.

The old guard who came up with Windows 8 and refused to listen to beta testers are gone and Microsoft has more or less given up trying to rescue its slandered OS. There will be another significant update to Windows 8.1 (called Update 2) later this year. After that, the new management are focusing their efforts on Windows 9.

Windows 9, which Microsoft internally calls “Threshold,” should ship around the second quarter of 2015. It will put the Windows 8 interface on the back burner but not throw it out, since applications written for Windows 8 would be broken. The familiar desktop with the Start button will be back.

Bajarin expects Windows 9 will return all of the familiar elements of Windows 7 and prior operating systems, with the new UI relegated to the back burner while new features are added to bring people forward.

“I don’t think it will be radical at all,” Bajarin said. ”I think they will make it easier to work with user interfaces of the past and provide better transition for those with older operating systems to come into this era.”

That could include tighter cloud services integration. One feature widely rumored but not confirmed by Microsoft is that it will offer seamless, tight cloud integration into the OS. Your OneDrive storage will be as easy to access as the “C: drive,” so all of your documents, personal files, photos, etc. will go right to the cloud without having to think about it.

Apps might also be potentially stored in the cloud as well. Say you log on to another Windows 9 PC using your login and password –not only will your data files be accessible from your cloud storage, but also the apps you use.

Kay expects more cloud-oriented features as well.

“It would be good to move to a cloud-oriented OS to do updates more frequently and keep the OS alive,” Kay said. “That way you would check in to the cloud at login but run locally, so you could work anywhere.”

He also doesn’t expect Windows 9 to be a major departure from the operating systems of old.

“You’d expect them to do more in order to justify all of the effort of creating a new OS other than fixing the old one. There will be a lot of it will be bells and whistles, but a lot of that stuff tends to fall into Who-Cares? territory,” Kay said.

Another rumored addition to Windows 9 is Cortana — the digital voice assistant currently being rolled out to Windows Phone users. Cortana is like the iPhone’s Siri: ask it a question and it fetches the proper contextual answer. Microsoft has made comments in recent weeks about bringing Cortana to Windows PCs, and Windows 9 would be the most logical candidate to get its own answer to J.A.R.V.I.S.

At this point, it’s all speculation, but one thing is for certain: Microsoft needs to get Windows 9 right. Kay noted that Microsoft has had only one good operating system in its last three releases over the last eight years. Windows 7 (2009) was good, while Vista (2006) and Windows 8 (2012) were bad.

“Those are not good odds for software. Maybe for blackjack, but not operating systems. I would love for [Windows 9] to work great and do the right thing, but they are one for three in recent releases. So I’m a bit cynical,” Kay said.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: fail; windows; windows7; windows8; windows9
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To: markomalley

It was the OS version of “New Coke”


41 posted on 07/28/2014 4:57:54 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: NurdlyPeon

I’d be cool with a Windows J.A.R.V.I.S, but I want to be able to pick from a list of celebrity voices. Cause Morgan Freeman telling me directions or reading me a recipe for blueberry muffins on demand would just be awesome.


42 posted on 07/28/2014 4:59:00 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: freedumb2003

Agreed. My only experience with Windows 8 was in repairing a friend’s computer that had it installed. My impressions of it, and admittedly, they’re limited, is that it was a dumbed down piece of garbage. I hated it.


43 posted on 07/28/2014 5:01:19 PM PDT by VOR78
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To: markomalley

Twenty years from now will be a generation that never even heard of Microsoft. Lucky them.


44 posted on 07/28/2014 5:03:39 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: markomalley

Give me an update and support for XP and I’ll pay for it like it’s a new program and immediately “upgrade” out of 8.1.


45 posted on 07/28/2014 5:04:05 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: softwarecreator
"I have Win 7 at home and Win 8 on my work laptop. I find them both to work great. I had no problem switching to W8 and do not understand the problem others are having. IMHO it’s become sort of a custom to badmouth every other Windows release and quite a few of these people are just jumping on the bandwagon."

Then you are in a very tiny minority. I have used Windows since before Windows actually existed (it was run-time environment used to run a graphical application called "In-A-Vision" (later "Micrografx Designer")). Window 8 simply sucked. Big-time. NOTHING worked in any familiar fashion.

Trying to use a "phone oriented" interface on a desktop machine was simply ridiculous. And having a "touch-screen" on a desktop machine is equally ridiculous.

Thanks God M'soft is FINALLY getting a tiny clue about what it's customers actually want.

46 posted on 07/28/2014 5:04:07 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Newly fledged NRA Life Member (after many years as an "annual renewal" sort))
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To: McGruff

That makes me cringe. The entire idea of Windows is second rate. Always has been.


47 posted on 07/28/2014 5:06:14 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: markomalley

I normally use Mac OS X, however I have VM running Win 7 for the time I need it. I have tried Win 8 and can’t stand it

As a tablet OS Win 8 would have worked, as a desktop/laptop OS it was bound to fail.


48 posted on 07/28/2014 5:07:54 PM PDT by matt04
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To: markomalley

Windows Vista was hilarious. I remember the first person I know who got one. I was the big computer savvy guy who was going to show them how to use it. It literally took about 15 minutes to boot up. Then it just got stuck all over the place. People were taking them back. What a train wreck.

But the beauty of Microsoft is that the foundation was built so well by such a ruthless competitor that none of that mattered. It was new technology that everyone wanted and the way it broke was exactly the way it was supposed to work.

If you Argued against microsoft products it was like telling everyone that you were stupid and you just didn’t know how to use it.

Brilliant.


49 posted on 07/28/2014 5:08:23 PM PDT by shineon
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To: markomalley

Win 8 was the final straw for me (Windows user since 2.11)...been a happy full-time OSX user for little over a year now. I keep a Windows 7 box around for a few non-OSX games I have.


50 posted on 07/28/2014 5:13:03 PM PDT by Drago
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To: zaxtres

Why am I supposed to change just for Microsoft’s sake? There is little TV reception is this area thanks to the government but I have several old TV sets that do not need regular updates software replaced or patched. My old trucks are fun because I still can work on them not like windows 8 when it gets screwed up. Making things different does not make them better. Windows 8 is kinda like putting the steering wheel and gearshift of a car in the trunk! Some one would think it is really neat.


51 posted on 07/28/2014 5:14:40 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: markomalley

Exactly. Win 8 is horrible and cost me many work hours.


52 posted on 07/28/2014 5:15:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: CIB-173RDABN
So if someone gets your log in and password they will have access to everything you have saved? What could go wrong with that?

Microsoft aspires to be Google+.

53 posted on 07/28/2014 5:17:10 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: markomalley
So you could tell people it was faster and more reliable and they said ‘I don’t know how to use it.’”

Recognition that the Windows team at Microsoft is composed of autistic idiot savants who have no connection the normal human race. It is like General Motors saying "We're sorry the car is impossible to drive, but look at the neat torque curve on this scope here."

54 posted on 07/28/2014 5:27:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Boogieman

Me too. The TI-994a was a sweet piece of gear. I learned how to program on that, and then got an Apple //e.


55 posted on 07/28/2014 5:32:18 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: markomalley
Your OneDrive storage will be as easy to access as the “C: drive,” so all of your documents, personal files, photos, etc. will go right to the cloud without having to think about it.

looks like Win-7 is here to stay...

56 posted on 07/28/2014 5:38:31 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: markomalley
Windows 8 Died at Launch, Microsoft Moves on to Windows 9

You'd think that Microshaft would have heard the very clear message after Windows VISTA!

So, I haven't had a chance to run Win 8, will Win9 be free to people who bought a Win8 machine?

57 posted on 07/28/2014 5:39:24 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: markomalley
Windows 8 was the best thing that ever happened to Linux.

Will you stop with the Linus crap. The overwhelming majority of computer users lack basic skills to use a Linus operating system.

58 posted on 07/28/2014 5:41:50 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: matt04

The Windows 8 interface is OK for portable devices - tablets, phones - but not for any desktop/laptop used for more than e-mail/surfing the web. For more serious applications (in my case CADD and programming PLC’s and other process control systems), the OS is unusable. The programming tools control platforms I work with (Rockwell Automation and Emerson Process Management) run better on 7 Pro.


59 posted on 07/28/2014 5:42:42 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: markomalley
Windows 8 was technically sound. No one complained of crashing, slow performance or old apps not working on it.

Small consolation when a new owner can't even figure out how to start the stupid thing; all the rest doesn't matter.

Old apps will run on Win 9 huh?
Really?
OK... where's the nearest computer geek school?

60 posted on 07/28/2014 5:43:15 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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