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Ebola question {vanity}
August 1, 2014 | Me

Posted on 07/31/2014 11:19:44 PM PDT by No One Special

There's about a 21 day period between contracting ebola and the appearance of symptoms. Can the disease be passed to another before the symptoms appear?


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KEYWORDS: ebola
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1 posted on 07/31/2014 11:19:45 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

I’m reading “The Hot Zone” now, taking a break. They talk about nine days and if Zaire Ebola, yes, very contagious.
Victims become ‘zombie-like’. Zombie apocalypse!


2 posted on 07/31/2014 11:23:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: No One Special

If it’s like flu:

“Most healthy adults may be able to infect other people beginning 1 day before symptoms develop”


3 posted on 07/31/2014 11:23:07 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: tumblindice

“Victims become ‘zombie-like’.”

But you’ll know they’re just normal liberals if they’re *not* bleeding.


4 posted on 07/31/2014 11:24:09 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: No One Special
From http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/faq-ebola/en/ :
The incubation period, or the time interval from infection to onset of symptoms, is from 2 to 21 days. The patients become contagious once they begin to show symptoms. They are not contagious during the incubation period.

5 posted on 07/31/2014 11:25:31 PM PDT by LibWhacker (A New WPA: Hire blacks to surround illegal enclaves and round up job-stealing illegal aliens)
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To: Salamander

Not good.


6 posted on 07/31/2014 11:26:07 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

“People are infectious as long as their blood and secretions contain the virus. Ebola virus was isolated from semen 61 days after onset of illness in a man who was infected in a laboratory.”

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/


7 posted on 07/31/2014 11:26:35 PM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Doggies Rock.)
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To: No One Special

OK... I’ve got a question; “Ebika” -is that like a “Kabuki” of some sort? :)


8 posted on 07/31/2014 11:29:16 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzzle-em's trying to kill them-)
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To: Salamander
“Victims become ‘zombie-like’.” But you’ll know they’re just normal liberals if they’re *not* bleeding.

*snicker* Quite good. *grin*

Though I might have gone with "they' snot breathing"... :)

9 posted on 07/31/2014 11:31:34 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzzle-em's trying to kill them-)
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To: LibWhacker

I don’t believe that for a second. In my many years of nursing, the standard was that with a virus, one starts becoming infectious within the 24 hours prior to onset of symptoms. I don’t think they want that info spread because it would make people panic.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 11:35:22 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: No One Special

Is one of the symptoms a propensity to hit keys next to the ones you mean to hit on a keyboard?

Heh.


11 posted on 07/31/2014 11:37:16 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: No One Special

Nope.

Not a bit.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 11:37:27 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Utilizer

;D


13 posted on 07/31/2014 11:37:44 PM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: Utilizer

Careless typing :-(


14 posted on 07/31/2014 11:40:41 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special
Classic: Bob Hope on Zombies and Democrats

youtube.com

15 posted on 07/31/2014 11:43:08 PM PDT by Daaave ("The flesh eating jinn of Komari.")
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To: No One Special

No worries. I was just having a bit of fun with that one now. *grin*


16 posted on 07/31/2014 11:44:02 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzzle-em's trying to kill them-)
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To: pops88

That’s better than being infectious immediately. Quickly scanning wikipedia, I couldn’t find that information and is why I posted the question.


17 posted on 07/31/2014 11:49:03 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: Daaave

So true. :-)


18 posted on 07/31/2014 11:50:00 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

At the moment we only know that it can be transmitted through bodily fluids. We don’t believe it can be transmitted through,the air.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 12:03:58 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: No One Special

I’m sure the CDC has generated models of the spread. I wonder what the hypothetical spread is if one contagious person in a large city who is out in public shopping, eating, public transportation, etc, how many become infected by that single person and then exponentially spread it from there. I don’t see how it could possibly be contained. Then the next question would be would the government even alert the public or keep quiet to avoid anticipated hoarding and riots?


20 posted on 08/01/2014 12:11:03 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: No One Special
May have found what you are looking for:
"With some infections, you can shed and spread the virus long before you get ill. That's not the case with Ebola. It's only after you are sick and feverish do you become contagious. However, it only takes a miniscule amount to infect and kill. A microscopic droplet of blood or saliva on your bare hand could enter through a break in your skin. And, whether you realize it or not, we all have breaks in our skin."

Source
21 posted on 08/01/2014 12:12:22 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Doggies Rock.)
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To: moose07
For her neighbors, in Guinea and across its border, another critical number is 42 -- as in 42 days, or two incubation periods. If the health care teams here don't see any new cases during that time then they officially say the outbreak is over.

Interesting.

22 posted on 08/01/2014 12:18:27 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Carthego delenda est

Good questions. We can only guess.

I think it contains itself only by its mortality rate. Everyone dies and the virus is stopped that way.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 12:19:59 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: moose07

Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for and the source looks reputable.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 12:22:00 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

They are saying it’s not airborne too, but check,out this article. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-20341423


25 posted on 08/01/2014 12:25:43 AM PDT by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: pops88

Yep. I was reading on Canada’s Public Health website about Ebola, and according to them, there is a possibility of infecting someone before showing symptoms, which is what one would expect with any other virus, so why would this be different?


26 posted on 08/01/2014 12:26:30 AM PDT by Shelayne
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To: No One Special

Geeze. I guess the upside is great if you like being eatin...but, your parts start falling off ...not so fun anymore...


27 posted on 08/01/2014 12:34:28 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Carthego delenda est

to give you an idea of models, from one symptomatic man on an airplane the CDC is now looking for 30,000 potential contacts.

“Initially health officials wanted to trace only a few hundred passengers on two planes which had carried victim Patrick Sawyer, 40.

But – as Cabinet ministers held an emergency Cobra meeting in London – the search was widened to find up to 30,000 people who could be hosting the organism which kills 90% of sufferers.

The list includes anyone at one of four airports visited by American dad-of-three Sawyer, and those in contact with him in Nigeria’s capital Lagos, home to 17 million, where he died five days ago.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ebola-spiders-web-infection-growing-3939374#ixzz397jvhEbT


28 posted on 08/01/2014 12:37:55 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: No One Special

on average 8-10 days.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 12:41:01 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Shelayne
Posting from Public Health Agency of Canada:

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, secretions, organs, or semen contain the virus. Ebola virus has been isolated from semen 61 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery.

Yikes.

30 posted on 08/01/2014 12:43:20 AM PDT by Shelayne
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To: Carthego delenda est

“I’m sure the CDC has generated models of the spread.”

In truth, we (humans) have never dealt with a pandemic of this virus before and can’t really make an accurate model. A key variable would be its ability to mutate . It could go airborne, it could become infectious more quickly. On top of all that, I don’t trust the CDC to give us the straight information if they are told not to.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 12:43:55 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: No One Special
From http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/t0728-ebola.html...

I want to underscore that Ebola poses little risk to the U.S. general population. Transmission is through direct contact of bodily fluids of an infected person or exposure objects like needles that have been contaminated with infected secretions. Individuals who are not symptomatic are not contagious. The mortality rate in some outbreaks can be as high as 90 percent, but in this outbreak, it is currently around 60 percent, indicating that some of our early treatment efforts may be having an impact.

***SNIP***

As you may have also heard, two American healthcare workers at a hospital in Monrovia, Liberia, have been infected with Ebola virus. One of the healthcare workers, a physician who worked with Ebola patients in the hospital, is symptomatic and in isolation. The other health care worker developed fever but no other signs of illness. The physician’s family had been living with him in Liberia. Thankfully, the family members had returned to the United States before the doctor got sick and therefore are not at risk for contracting Ebola or spreading it to anyone here. Out of an abundance of caution, the family is currently on a 21 day fever watch. I want to emphasize that Ebola isn't contagious until symptoms appear.

There is a lot of paranoia when it comes to ebola. Horrible as the disease is, there is some good news for us here in the West: Ebola is not easily transmissible, as long as you don't come in direct contact with people who are showing symptoms, or with any of their bodily tissues, bodily fluids, or personal effects that they touched recently after becoming symptomatic (clothing, bedding, cell phones, etc.)(the scary news is that that may also include money). Also, and I believe it (though obviously some don't), victims are not contagious during incubation.

Still, if there is a breakout here, perhaps the best and most prudent policy is to steer clear of sick people, anyone they may have made contact with (yes, even those who may only be incubating), and anything they touched. And given that money may be a vector, the government has absolutely no business bringing ebola victims here!

32 posted on 08/01/2014 12:45:13 AM PDT by LibWhacker (A New WPA: Hire blacks to surround illegal enclaves and round up job-stealing illegal aliens)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping....


33 posted on 08/01/2014 12:45:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Shelayne
Cf. the Wikipedia Ebola Virus article. Absolutely fascinating, even if morbidly so. In particular, note the section on Replication Science explains it, but it does not explain it. What is this thing?
34 posted on 08/01/2014 12:49:12 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Shelayne
so why would this be different?

I read one reason may be that Ebola is not an airborne virus, unlike the common cold, say. In other words, what they seemed to be saying was that airborne viruses tend to be transmissible during incubation, while non-airborne viruses generally aren't. Now, why that should be the case, at the microbiological level, I have no idea... I'm not an expert. It's just something I read.

35 posted on 08/01/2014 12:54:34 AM PDT by LibWhacker (A New WPA: Hire blacks to surround illegal enclaves and round up job-stealing illegal aliens)
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To: No One Special

If you have the virus, you can spread it. The only difference is that when you show symptoms, the vector is more pronounced because you are spewing your fluids across the room- literally. The virus is the virus. You get splattered with an infected persons blood the second after they contract it, is enough to infect you.

As the nurse said it’s 12-24 hours. The reality is that it’s whatever time it takes to enter your blood stream. It’s not like malaria. It doesn’t hatch. It is deadly no matter where it comes from, and at any point in time.

The danger is that there is no ready test for people that aren’t showing symptoms. Which means, if a asymptomatic infected boards a plane and starts coughing sneezing or has an open wound, you’re in trouble.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 1:02:27 AM PDT by JFoobar
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To: SaxxonWoods

The cure for that is the combination of keys you accidentally hit that show you a feature on your computer you did not know about.


37 posted on 08/01/2014 1:06:49 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: blueplum

Thanks for that. I really don’t know what to say. They have to check 30,000 people?


38 posted on 08/01/2014 1:10:20 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Once Ebola gets into the American gay population, it will be unstoppable. Not only will gays not stop their anonymous sex but they will demand they not be quarantined and will not be required to tell anyone that they suffer with the disease.

At least, that’s how they were with the AIDS virus and we all know their political power has grown exponentially since the 1980s.


39 posted on 08/01/2014 1:11:45 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Jonty30
Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates
Nature.com
Hana M. Weingartl, Carissa Embury-Hyatt, Charles Nfon, Anders Leung, Greg Smith & Gary Kobinger Scientific Reports 2,
Article number: 811 doi:10.1038/srep00811
Received 25 April 2012 Accepted 28 September 2012 Published 15 November 2012
Here we show ZEBOV [Zaire-EBOV] transmission from pigs to cynomolgus macaques without direct contact...Piglets inoculated oro-nasally with ZEBOV were transferred to the room housing macaques in an open inaccessible cage system. All macaques became infected...While primates develop systemic infection associated with immune dysregulation resulting in severe hemorrhagic fever, the EBOV [Ebola virus] infection in swine affects mainly respiratory tract, implicating a potential for airborne transmission of ZEBOV2, 6. Contact exposure is considered to be the most important route of infection with EBOV in primates7, although there are reports suggesting or suspecting aerosol transmission of EBOV from NHP to NHP8, 9, 10, or in humans based on epidemiological observations


40 posted on 08/01/2014 1:12:03 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: No One Special

“They have to check 30,000 people?”

They have to FIND them first.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 1:14:31 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: LibWhacker

Money as a vector. I wonder how long the virus can stay alive on a bill.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 1:15:20 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: pops88

“...the standard was that with a virus, one starts becoming infectious within the 24 hours prior to onset of symptoms.”

Even IF one isn’t contagious until after symptoms, the symptoms are like the flu. Muscles aches, low fever, etc. Those symptoms (the kind lots of people, and almost all men, shrug off)) can last for several days until the more severe symptoms show up that may cause one to go the the doctor.


43 posted on 08/01/2014 1:19:33 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: JFoobar

That makes logical sense, thank you.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 1:21:39 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: moose07; No One Special

Don’t forget sweat (one MORE reason to wipe off the GYM equipment before you get on, or the doorknob touched in the last 3 days by someone with a sweaty Ebola fever).

And liquid droplets from a cough or sneeze can travel about three feet and land on things that can later be touched. Or onto you if you are withing three feet of the event when it happens.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 1:23:03 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: dr_lew

http://www.primehealthchannel.com/ebola-virus-symptoms-pictures-structure-facts-and-history.html#virology-of-ebola-virus
Scroll down to “Ebola Virus Replication.” Maybe that will help. In simplified short, think of it as a process of a virion attaching itself to a host cell then injecting copies of itself into that cell.


46 posted on 08/01/2014 1:37:05 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: 21twelve; No One Special
Don’t forget sweat (one MORE reason to wipe off the GYM equipment before you get on, or the doorknob touched in the last 3 days by someone with a sweaty Ebola fever).

All of the above are so easily forgotten.
People call me paranoid when i wipe down at work when someone has a Cold.
It reduces the impact dramatically if just door handles are wiped regularly through the day.
If Mr Lister doesn't mind ...Initiating Paranoia Mode.

47 posted on 08/01/2014 1:48:11 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Doggies Rock.)
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To: moose07; No One Special

One comment on wiping stuff down. They did some studies and found that often wiping stuff down only spread it MORE! (Trying to conserve on the wipes and using the same wipe for several areas.)

Another key is to keep your hands away from your face with the common habits of hand on chin, nose scratching, head scratching, etc. So use the alchohol based lotions a lot.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 2:01:15 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: No One Special

Ebola is no match for 20th Century hygiene.

Don’t let them scare you.


49 posted on 08/01/2014 2:04:52 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: 21twelve; No One Special
Have that problem taped.
One wipe per door.
Industrial strength Graffiti wipes. :)
50 posted on 08/01/2014 2:07:39 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Doggies Rock.)
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