Posted on 12/04/2014 9:17:26 PM PST by Citizen Zed
The distinction is highly relevant. It was not a choke hold, it was a take down and it was released once he was taken down. he didn’t start complaining of difficulty breathing until after the choke hold was released. For all intents and purposes, he died on the sidewalk of a heart attack, waiting on an ambulance, because the cops didn’t see fit to administer immediate CPR, the one thing that could have saved him at that point. The coroner, incidentally, has ruled that the cause of death was a massive heart attack, not a choke hold. he was having trouble breathing because he was having an MI.
Couldn't they have just handed him a ticket for street hustling? If he refused to move they could have hosed him down till he left.
No they had to subdue! To take charge even if it means the perp dies! They murdered him. Period. He wasn't about to die peddling smokes, but yet he's dead now.
Our LEO's have become nazi death squad members ready to take down any citizen or his pet even in front of their children if not their children.
How many more grenades have to land in cribs before you notice an atrocity is occurring?
...in the case of this cigarette hustler: How does peddling untaxed smokes lead to a violent take-down by a half-dozen cops in the first place?
Dying for a cigarette tax? A victim of an out of control bureaucracy? Police should have listened to his cries for help? All horrible events to think about. Garner died because he wasn’t duly respectful of the arbitrary laws of NYC. Not because he was black. Yes, it makes me angry that we kill people who transgress our tax laws and nanny state regulations.
An unhealthy fat man got wrestled down by the cops and smothered to death under his own blubber. And now the poverty pimps are telling people to go out and riot, loot and burn New York City because of it. Another crock of $#!+ that America doesn’t need. We are finally starting to get over that Ferguson clusterf*ck, and the Old and New Media are still pushing it hard. All over the internet, all over the radio, all over the TV. Let it go, please let it go. I’m blaming all of you in both medias.
Because most of us Americans still love each other, in all of our various colors and ethnic backgrounds. The street trash that are looting and listening to Al Sharpton are the losers that we left behind. Manipulated by well-heeled communists agitators with deep pockets, who laugh at their patsies as they provoke them into violence. The kind of human garbage that you would cross the street to avoid confronting.
Everything IS racial in Obamaworld, and he is fomenting it. How I despise liberals.
This case is different from the others. I'm disturbed that the police department shows up in such force in a situation that's the result of an unjust tax on cigarettes. The police weren't using such numbers and force to protect people. They were using it to protect the ability of the state to collect that tax.
Ha...did you see the video of the take down,,,...
looks to me like another 300lb "gentle giant"
Who lifted the cop off his feet at the start of the take down
Sorry, I don’t think it had a great deal to do with the tax on the part of the cops.
More to do with not allowing any citizen to get away with defying their authority. The cop variant of a gangbanger killing somebody for dissing him.
In the cops (partial) defense, the guy was apparently blocking traffic into legitimate businesses. Since the businesses sold (taxed) smokes, the main issue from their POV was unfair competition.
What were the cops supposed to do? Give him a citation and allow him to continue impeding access to stores?
Ran the numbers once. American cops kill people at a rate 40x that of German cops. 2x or even 10x might be explicable by the other differences between our societies.
But 40x?
BTW, we don’t have hard numbers on how many Americans are killed by LEOs. Some are probably not compiled by the FBI due to not being reported by local cops.
This is an American problem, not a black/white problem.
Need to take away their guns and give em super soakers with skunk musk & dye coloring.
What is unfair is that Gardiner was being arrested for selling single cigarettes dodging New York’s confiscatory cigarette tax.
Well, German cops will go directly into beat down mode if there is any resistance. They have nightsticks especially designed to deliver maximum blunt trauma without actually breaking bones. As a result, pretty much only drunks actually will even try to fight them. I’ve seen an obviuosly drunk guy who ran down a pedestrian have a blood sample taken - after he refused the needle - taken by smacking the guys face off the hood of the police car.
There are a lot of differences. One might be an elimination of intermediate actions between asking nicely and finger-swarming at one end, and use of lethal force at the other.
That’s kind of what I suspect. There seems to be an awful lot of cases where American cops resort really quickly to lethal force.
In the Brown case, as one example, was there nothing at all the cop could have done except shoot him? Did he have a nightstick that could have been used to disable him? Wilson isn’t exactly a little bitty guy himself.
Obviously it increases the risk for the cop, but isn’t that to some extent a risk cops voluntarily assume?
In India and Singapore the cops carry what are essentially quarterstaffs. More than a little awkward to get out of a car, but if I were trained in using one I think I could have disabled Brown without killing him. A broken leg, for instance, will slow anybody down quite a bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathi_khela#In_law_enforcement
IOW, did the Michael Brown case HAVE to be a “kill or be killed” situation? No other possibilities at all?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.