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To: Vendome

having been born on 07DEC51 i have visited and read a lot. there are eyewitness accounts of germans flying the japanese planes, a bomb going down the stack of ARIZONA as well as her being torpedoed.
i am still uncertain about a midget sub getting into the harbor and torpedoing OKLAHOMA.
i do not believe fdr and churchill knew about it and deliberately didn’t warn them. it was more an intelligence failure that looked more at intentions (what would we do) vs capability ( we didn’t put all our carriers in one group so no one else would).
i also believe there is a better than average chance we would not have declared war on japan if they had not attacked pearl harbor, bypassed the philippines and just attacked the colonial empires of france, holland, and britain.


12 posted on 12/06/2014 5:39:02 PM PST by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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To: bravo whiskey
Three days before Pearl my father received flash traffic to immediately sortie and intercept the Jap fleet headed for Pearl. He was on a four stacker tin can in Alaska. He told me they went to sea with ammo on deck. They were recalled shortly after. From that point on he believed Roosevelt knew about the attack and did not warn the fleet. I believe Pearl was was set up as bait for a probable Jap attack. That attack was to be the catalyst to get the United States into WWII. Based upon my father's report FDR knew the Japs took the bait. Those men at Pearl were sacrificed to get us into the war.
32 posted on 12/06/2014 9:02:27 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: bravo whiskey

Roosevelt provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor to get us into the War. Read “day of Deceit” it will open your eyes


46 posted on 12/07/2014 3:06:54 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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