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New York's Top Judge Calls For Overhaul Of State's Grand Jury System
npr ^ | 2-17-2015 | EYDER PERALTA

Posted on 02/17/2015 2:13:56 PM PST by Citizen Zed

Following two controversial decisions by grand juries in New York and in Missouri, New York's top judge is calling for an overhaul of the system.

Chief Judge Jonathan Lippman called the grand jury system a "relic of another time," and said that the way it has worked so far has led to a perception that prosecutors are unable to objectively present evidence to grand juries.

"Such perceptions, while broad brush, clearly can undermine public trust and confidence in the justice system," Lippman said during his annual State of the Judiciary address, according to Newsday. "To me, it is obvious that we need significant change in grand jury practices and protocols in the world we live today."

Of course, Lippman was talking after two separate grand juries refused to charge white police officers who played a role in the death of two black men — Eric Garner in New York and Michael Brown in Ferguson.

According to the Times Union in Albany, Lippman proposed making two big changes to the system: First judges — not prosecutors — should oversee grand juries weighing police-related deaths and second, he said the testimony heard by the grand jury should be released in cases of "high public interest."

Newsday adds:

"Lippman's proposals would have to be approved by state lawmakers. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has said he will push grand jury and criminal justice changes in the 2015 legislative session.

"Currently, judges nominally oversee the grand jury process by giving preliminary instructions to the jurors before hearing cases. Lippman wants a judge 'physically present in the grand jury room' to provide legal rulings, ask questions of witnesses, preclude inadmissible evidence and provide final instructions before a jury deliberates — though the judge wouldn't vote."


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Somehow I think this is all about removing doubt to achieve political agendas.
1 posted on 02/17/2015 2:13:56 PM PST by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

Social justice, an equal amount of ethnic groups should be represented in our jail systems not just blacks.


2 posted on 02/17/2015 2:16:41 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit = arrogant little bastard)
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To: Citizen Zed

800 years is not enough tradition for this New Yawk doofus in robes!


3 posted on 02/17/2015 2:29:37 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Citizen Zed
From my research into the matter of Grand Juries:
    The Grand Jury was inherited from English common law — in twelfth century England a selection of twelve men in every hundred were tasked as informants to the king to extend his will (the centralization of governance) and accuse criminals and were fined if there weren’t sufficient accusations made. Obviously a system that lent itself to abuse, in 1215 the Magna Carta addressed it by delineating individual protections of life, liberty, and property by order of law. During the reign of Edward III, this group of twelve was supercedes by twenty-four knights chosen by the local sheriff who had the authority for starting prosecution and the group of twelve became the petit jury and since they no longer held their accusatory function became responsible for returning a verdict of guilty or innocent in capital crimes.
    In 1635 the first Grand Jury was established in the American colonies, and was used to charge Assistants whom the Monarchy had authorized to make laws, accuse suspects, and judge criminals — thus the American Grand Jury began not as an instrument of the government, but a defense against lawlessness committed by the government.
    This spirit was again replicated in England, in part, in 1681 when the pro-Protestant Grand Jury refused to indict the enemies of Catholic King Charles II for reasons of the government’s admittance of their witnesses perjuring themselves and weak, inconclusive documentary evidence.     This is the Grand Jury that the post Revolutionary America inherited and whose existence was codified in the Fifth Amendment: an independent institution capable of both initiating prosecution and refusing to validate the government’s prosecution orders — a protector of the people and overseer of the government.
    It was not until 1946 that there was concern about a “runaway Grand Jury” because, prior to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure every Grand Jury was “runaway” — the reason that they restricted the Grand Jury was to willfully subvert the power of the Grand Jury to act independently of the prosecutor or judge and prevent it from being able to investigate on its own suspicions — the only reason to subvert this would be to eliminate the power to root out government corruption.

4 posted on 02/17/2015 2:37:28 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Agreed. Today, in America politicians do not act for the benefit of all but solely for the benefit of them and their class. In this case at a minimum this idiot wants judges to increase their power and the threat of public disclosure to intimidate the jury.


5 posted on 02/17/2015 3:20:27 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: OneWingedShark

You probably have a good point.


6 posted on 02/17/2015 3:21:16 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Citizen Zed
"Chief Judge Jonathan Lippman...said that the way it has worked so far has led to a perception that prosecutors are unable to objectively present evidence to grand juries."

See the following? He's right.

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

Do you really want to have no recourse against their robberies and general corruption? They speak from both sides of politics, even loudly so right here, but that doesn't justify their tyranny through socialism.


7 posted on 02/17/2015 3:45:36 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Well said! Also see comment #7.


8 posted on 02/17/2015 3:48:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

One must then assume he liked the law of the Crown before the Magna Carta


9 posted on 02/17/2015 3:50:58 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The Grand Jury system can’t be that bad. It found Bernie Goetz not guilty of all charges except the gun possession charge. And that shouldn’t even count. The 2nd Amendment should trump all NYC gun laws.


10 posted on 02/17/2015 4:07:19 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (It's better to die free than live as a slave)
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To: Citizen Zed
Of course, Lippman was talking after two separate grand juries refused to charge white police officers who played a role in the death of two black men

Well, OF COURSE.

11 posted on 02/17/2015 4:09:49 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: familyop
Do you really want to have no recourse against their robberies and general corruption?

I think that's why the federal rules have the "runaway grand jury" clause and also give no heed to the powers of Presentment.

Notes of Advisory Committee on Rules—1944
4. Presentment is not included as an additional type of formal accusation, since presentments as a method of instituting prosecutions are obsolete, at least as concerns the Federal courts.
And thus by fiat their power is stripped from the Grand Jury, much like jury nullification it's one of those things that's technically/legally true but essentially nonexistent due to the [lack of] education on the matter.
12 posted on 02/17/2015 4:10:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Hell no! ....Activist judges already make a mockery of petit jury trials and the sentencing of people convicted.


13 posted on 02/17/2015 11:56:46 PM PST by octex
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