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To: kaehurowing
Does anyone seriously believe that thousands of Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio farm boys (not to mention the Irish in the cities) would have enlisted, marched South, fought, bled, and died to free the slaves? To save the Union, yes. To free the slaves? Well, if you believe that, I suggest you get an unlisted telephone number before some calls and convinces you to purchase a big bridge connecting San Francisco and Marin County.
22 posted on 08/11/2015 1:31:30 PM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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To: quadrant
Does anyone seriously believe that thousands of Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio farm boys (not to mention the Irish in the cities) would have enlisted, marched South, fought, bled, and died to free the slaves?

A lot of idiotic Freepers believe that, DoodleDawg poop being one of them.

31 posted on 08/11/2015 1:39:59 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: quadrant
Does anyone seriously believe that thousands of Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio farm boys (not to mention the Irish in the cities) would have enlisted, marched South, fought, bled, and died to free the slaves?

They didn't start the war either. If you're looking for causes of the conflict, you won't find them in why one particular soldier went to war.

34 posted on 08/11/2015 1:41:54 PM PDT by x
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To: quadrant; kaehurowing; iowamark; rockrr; x; PeaRidge
quadrant: "Does anyone seriously believe that thousands of Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio farm boys (not to mention the Irish in the cities) would have enlisted, marched South, fought, bled, and died to free the slaves?
To save the Union, yes.
To free the slaves?"

See, it's arguments like this which make me think you people are not just unreconstructed Dixiecrats, but actual Democrats -- posers, agent provocateurs, so to speak -- whose real purpose is to convince people that Republicans generally, not just those racist Southerners, are evil to core, never to be trusted, always to be defeated by the enlightened, intelligent and all-feeeeeeeeling loooooooving Democrats!

You make me sick!

The truth of this matter is simple for anyone who wants to understand.
Civil War began as a response to Confederate aggressions, at a time when abolition of slavery in the South was not even on the table, politically, not discussed or advocated by any political party, for fear that it would cause, yes, secession and Civil War.
Of course, many Northerners supported abolition, certainly in their own states, in Western territories and perhaps eventually, even in Southern states.
But they were not, in 1861, willing to fight a war over it.

By 1863, things were much different.
By 1863 the great strategic advantage of freeing millions of Confederate state slaves was hugely obvious to everyone, and so, with Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, freedom for slaves did become the war's objective.
Indeed, except for that, peace terms might well have been amicably arranged years before the Confederacy was finally forced to surrender, unconditionally, and so abolish slavery everywhere.

278 posted on 08/15/2015 7:46:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: quadrant

So the answer is no - no one except some lost causes (and they don’t really matter) seriously believed that. And the lost causes only advance as a false narrative.


300 posted on 08/15/2015 12:48:50 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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