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To: SeekAndFind

1. Corporate and international isn’t jumping

They dont upgrade anything the minute it comes out.

2. Poor PC sales

Dont need a new PC to run it. I’m using laptops that are over 4 years old.

3. Spyware controversy

There is no “spyware” just low-level tech ignoramus that have no idea what they are talking about, but read the Tech section of USA today, and think they even know what they are talking about, so they never fail to repeat nonsense on other forums.

Every little thing MS clearly spells out they collect when installing can be turned off at any time. Less time than screaming about mythological spyware.

4. Stability problems

Cant say I’ve had any on my end. If you are having stability issues, realize that it is YOUR MACHINE and that you might have to download the latest drivers from the OEMs website. I had this issue, and downloaded one driver and haven’t had it since.

5. No perceived value

But will then bitch and moan that MS stops supporting (insert over decade-old version of Windows here) When most people have long found the value and have started using it a normally as they used all of the other versions that people back then screamed had no value.

Microsoft has stated in the past that the roll-out of Win10 was going to be in waves. There are people that have never got the link to do so. I got tired of waiting and just got the ISO. Why tech blogs never can realize this is anyone’s guess.


7 posted on 10/19/2015 10:38:23 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik; SeekAndFind
> 1. Corporate and international isn’t jumping // They dont upgrade anything the minute it comes out.

Check. Hell, they don't upgrade anything the YEAR it comes out. Sometimes it's 3-4 years before they take it up.

> 2. Poor PC sales // Dont need a new PC to run it. I’m using laptops that are over 4 years old.

Check. I'm sure that's why they're playing around with the "Buy a new W10 machine and send in your old one for cash back" incentives.

> 3. Spyware controversy // There is no “spyware” just low-level tech ignoramus... Every little thing MS clearly spells out they collect when installing can be turned off at any time.

Agreed that's it's not, strictly speaking, "spyware". It's some technical telemetry, and it's a lot of data that people are not used to their operating system gathering and transmitting to Redmond or anywhere else.

Microsoft made a huge tactical error IMO by not being loud and upfront EARLY ON about the fact that they were going to do this in the consumer production editions as well as the Insider pre-release editions. And another error by making the default "Send Everything" and forcing users to grovel around and figure out how to shut it off. These days most users are leery of anything that grabs their data and sends it elsewhere, and for damn good reason. Microsoft was arrogant and stupid, when they could have been proactive and forthright.

It's too late now to recover that lost opportunity, unfortunately. So Windows 10 will be stuck with the stench of the "spyware" label forever, even though, as you point out, the warning was already in the fine print.

> 4. Stability problems // Cant say I’ve had any on my end...

I've had ZERO problems so far, but I'm running Win10 in VMs, under Xen on CentOS Linux, and under VMware on OS X. VMs are more forgiving. I'm not planning to put it on metal until I have to replace my Win7 laptop someday, probably with a Surface Book.

> 5. No perceived value // But will then bitch and moan that MS stops supporting (insert over decade-old version of Windows here)...

This is a tough one. So far what I've gotten from Win10 is a learning experience about where they hid stuff. It's not significantly faster for the tasks I do, I don't like the plain, flat look of the UI, and the customization options are severely limited. But I expect that as time goes on it will become possible to customize it better.

I don't find it compelling, and I'm not inclined to upgrade my Win7 machines, but I find it quite usable and I won't much mind buying native Win10 machines in a few years when it comes time to get new ones. In the meantime, the VMs are fine for getting used to it.

Perhaps in the next year or two I may discover something that Win10 does that Win7 doesn't do. But so far everything that Win10 does, that I care about, Win7 does at least as well.

23 posted on 10/19/2015 2:21:31 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: VanDeKoik
. Corporate and international isn’t jumping


They dont upgrade anything the minute it comes out.

Typically for Windows upgrades there is a workstation OS release followed by a server release. Many of the new features in the workstation OS rely on a server-side component. The server-side components usually appear first in the new server release, and then may be back-ported to older releases.

Right now, were in that window between the workstation release and the server release. Nobody has a compelling reason to upgrade because a lot of the potential benefits can't be realized or even tested until they get the server bits to go with it.

24 posted on 10/19/2015 6:12:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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