Posted on 11/25/2015 12:34:26 PM PST by rickmichaels
I do not think Turkey's position is at all ambiguous. I think it is quite clear that they are the money spigot for ISIS and that ISIS are their well loved allies.
I think the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was created to confront a Soviet invasion of Europe. I think it is a violation of the spirit of the organization to deliberately provoke Russia with belligerent and unnecessary acts.
I am reminded of a little boy throwing rocks at a big man, and then running to get behind his mother's skirts when the man turns to give him what he deserves.
I do not believe in appeasement, but I also do not believe in deliberate and unnecessary provocation. If we were men, and one little shrimp among us decides to go and punch a bigger man because we have all agreed to defend each other, I think most men would let the little shrimp get back the beating he deserves.
I think Turkey has deliberately created a technicality to allow them to throw their sucker punch, but in doing so they have deliberately violated the understanding between the members of the coalition.
And let me put it another way. If you deliberately ambush one of my aircraft and kill one of my pilots, and then Turkmen deliberately kill the members of the rescue team, I would be out for blood. I would work some means of paying you back.
I expect Putin to retaliate. He cannot do otherwise. Turkey may have just started something very horrible, and much American blood may get spilled before this is over.
Basically, the Turks have been targeting the Russian jet route for a number of days. they notice that the Russian jets cut through a 2 mile wide spit that intrudes several miles into Syrian airspace such that the Russian pilots.
Russian planes spend about 15-20 seconds overflying the 2 mile wide spit of Turk real estate that intrudes into the Syrian border.
The flight of the F-16 air to air missiles takes longer than 20 seconds to launch and travel to the target.
So either the Turks fired at the Russians while they were in Syrian airspace to allow the missiles to hit the Russian planes when they were in Turkish airspace, or they launched on the Russians while the Russians were briefly flying over the Turkish spit and were technically in Turkish airspace, but if they did this it's very likely , almost 100% certain, that the missiles impacted in Syrian airspace.
Regardless, if reports are true, then the Turks gamed this shoot down to try to draw NATO into the fight against Russia.
FWIW, Turkish jets violate Syrian airspace on a regular basis to provide air cover for ISIS
Interesting. I never considered the missile flight time...or target ‘lock in’ time.
A story earlier today use the term ‘scrambled’, as in to imply that somebody hopped in a plane and took off to intercept - absurd. Obviously the media is siding with Barry, who has sided with Turkey...which happens to be aligned with ISIS.
Google Serena Shim.
You guess correctly. Roaring along at about 500-600mph twenty or thirty miles goes by in a blip.
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