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To: iowamark

The police shot 5 people, four of whom died. They say they only fired 12 rounds. 2 of the four dead only had wounds from the police style rifles, 2 others also had other bullet injuries (preceding or following the police fire).

One was a man armed with a chain, which by itself would be a threatening figure but he was combating several persons with knives and possibly brass knuckles. They do not appear to have been shot. Odd considering those are also forbidden weapons and they did not seek safety, rather engaging in battle with the man (the video does not appear to be strictly self defense).

If the man with the chain was menacing people in a parking lot by himself (random act of violence, totally away from that day or biker related incident) there would likely be a warning to ‘drop your weapon’ and some sort of negotiation before opening fire. He was hit several times and bled out. The other combatants may have ‘surrendered’ after seeing this man taken down but they were willing combatants in battle.

One biker who shot another biker dead does not appear to be among those killed by the police. Odd that a guy with a chain is considered more of a threat to society than someone who’d shoot a guy in the head while the victim is laying down on the ground after already having his head stomped.

These details come from the Daily News article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357599/New-police-footage-shows-chaos-erupted-outside-Texas-restaurant-hundreds-bikers-used-guns-chains-defend-massive-melee.html

If the police were trying to restore safety and order, how many of the biker gunmen did they shoot? How many biker gunmen did the bikers shoot? How many persons other than those with guns did the police shoot? 9 persons dead, 20 persons injured from gun wounds.


10 posted on 12/15/2015 5:00:21 PM PST by a fool in paradise (The goal of Socialism is Communism. Marx and Lenin were in agreement on this.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Some people tend to forget or are ignorant of how the military and law enforcement work and forget about the chain of command & those in leadership roles calling the shots away from or at an active hostile situation. Those that listen to police scanners hear the traffic to & from officers ‘in the field’ of what they are encountering at the scene & what their commanders want them to do about it.
I suspect the red bandanna guy was taken down by a head shot because he had an LEO undercover in a bear hug & posed a an immediate risk of cutting the operative’s throat, stabbing or shooting him. I believe a commander made a split decision to take the biker down immediately because he was too close to his target.
A person can die from someone bashing them in the head with a chain just as they can from being stabbed or shot. Again, each situation calls for fast thinking & action; a wrong call could prove fatal for an operative trapped in a bad situation ‘in the field’.
It's been a while since my Army days, but I can assure you that if my operation orders specified search & destroy or shoot to kill, someone’s going down forever. My commanders wouldn't accept anything less.
17 posted on 12/15/2015 11:42:42 PM PST by mr milch (waco; bikers; grand jury; massacre)
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