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To: don-o
same caliber of rifle fired by Waco police

That's a start but what about the caliber of rifles fired by ATF, state troopers, West PD, the undercovers and other LEOs there that day?

7 posted on 12/15/2015 1:37:16 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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What I am seeing in the Kirschner shooting video segment suggests to me that the shooter is shooting low, around the butt & legs area of the heavy chain swinger. I see rounds striking the ground & the bottom of a thick pole displays a large white video strike to it. IOW, the shooter is not trying to kill the man. More like trying to drop the man without fatally striking him. I know this doesn't justify the bleed-out that occurred later post shooting. I'd suggest different commanders were handling different areas of the shooting. Looks more to me like threat neutralization; the threat being the thick, long chain Kirshner was bullwhipping around at people in the parking lot corner close to the thick pole.
As with the previous comments I made from my analysis from the recently leaked CNN videos, whoever was firing at the biker with the red bandanna that was left dead on the TP sidewalk appears to me to be the result of neutralizing the threat to the person bandanna struck in the throat & spun around to the sidewalk in a bear hug. To me, the two videos are ambiguous, bandanna man could have been shot by either or both bikers concerned with him (the one bear hugged by bandanna man & his biker responder- both appear to be armed with pistols in some portions of the videos)or the shots seen in the video striking the ground & pavement areas near where both tumbled to the ground together.
I'd go as far as to suggest the video depicts red bandanna man's target attempting to find a pulse & pounding on his chest to get bandanna man breathing. CNN took this to be hits to the face. FWIW, from the TP patio looking outside the window towards the parking lot camera angle, if the biker with a pistol not in a bear hug shot bandanna man, he struck him in his back while he was turning with his target biker (the biker bear hugged).

I believe what I am seeing are LEO protecting assets & operatives in the field (undercovers).

Each fatality requires individual analysis in my opinion. As more videos are released & the public gets a chance to study them, my opinion is subject to change based on what the video evidence suggest.

9 posted on 12/15/2015 2:55:03 PM PST by mr milch (waco; bikers; grand jury; massacre)
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To: bgill
That's a start but what about the caliber of rifles fired by ATF, state troopers, West PD, the undercovers and other LEOs there that day?

Chief Stroman has stated that only Waco PD, and no other LEOs, fired shots that day.

12 posted on 12/15/2015 5:15:31 PM PST by semimojo
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