Thanks to Up Yours Marxists for alerting us to this devastating state of affairs!!
Posted on 01/03/2016 5:58:53 PM PST by Up Yours Marxists
Thanks to Up Yours Marxists for alerting us to this devastating state of affairs!!
I’ve never used virus protection on my microsoft latopsor pc since windows 7 on.
No problems.
What a load of horse manure made out of a strawman eaten by you and pooped out. That makes you a horse's ass, Up Yours Marxists. You'll not find any one of us making that claim.
If there are "email viruses" being passed on from a Mac, it originated on a Windows PC. We will not accept blame for their origination.
No, what’s truly stupid is to trust Macs without antivirus protection or some sort of security scanner when connected to a hotel, personal, or company network, but not on the internet without a firewall.
And for those who manage to miss it, yes, of course I’m being ironic.
You’d be frog marched out of my company for that kind of arrogant behavior. If your mac compromises my network because of your idiot friends sending you some kind of personal email with a bad file in it, you better believe I’d fire your ass so fast your head would spin.
You sir are NO CEO.
Antivirus and network scanning provides users the necessary feedback needed to identify security breaches. Only FOOLS believe their security is 100%, requiring no need for security reviews. At a minimum if you’re not running AV, scan vulnerabilities and exploits and scan often. Like daily. Hourly is good. Real-time is best.
You can run your AV scan every second for all the good it will do you. The problem inherent in AV software is it only knows about known viruses. The next new zero day released it’s useless.
That may be true. However, outdated antivirus is better than NO antivirus at all. Only a fool would walk into an Ebola clinic without a bio suit.
Not entirely true. Some AV software runs heuristics that look for patterns of software behavior that might be dangerous, even if they don't recognize the virus because it's a new one.
Of course the problems with heuristic approaches are:
Ok, let’s just see how secure your Macs are and how confident your security prowess is. You have a firewall, correct? Turn it off. Let it all hang out.
You do realize that if your computer is on a router it has its own internal IP address and the firewall enabled or not is irrelevant with NAT.
That is correct, Up Yours. Any given computer is much more likely to be hit by an older malware than a brand-new one, during the period between malware release and the time the AV has a response/update.
Please provide the source for this assertion. Otherwise I call blatant red herring -- no Apple owner I've ever known or read about has made that claim.
OBTW, please supply a link to a reputable source -- not just another raving internet forum commentard.
How right you are. No system is foolproof. Only fools trust their operating system to protect them. Follow best practices and hope for the best. Things like:
1. Running antivirus
2. Running malware scans often
3. Running hardened firewalls, even in hotels and on public connections
4. Staying away from questionable sites
5. Run ad-blockers
We live in a connected world. We need to be part of the solution, not the problem.
I posted this article because it’s clear that many Apple and Unix users on here don’t think it’s their responsibility to be network-safe for all other operating systems. Many tend to make excuses due to some sort of elitist attitude that Apple doesn’t have any holes at all.
We all need to protect friends, coworkers and loved ones from threats they could receive from us, knowingly or not. I can tell you with no hesitation that if I didn’t care enough to clean up my emails and not pass this stuff onto my family, they would be quite upset if I was so arrogant to not care.
My 2007 iMac is still running strong. For you windows "loonies" that's nearly 9 years. Try that with a windows box. If the malware and spyware don't get you, their lack of support for outdated devices will.
What I don't understand is why the Windows fanatics have such blind loyalty. Is it the fact that Apple leans liberal? I got news for you, so does Microsoft. Look at the crap that Bill Gates is involved in. Add google to the list too. Unfortunately, there appears to be no non political players in this arena.
Is it the stability? After nearly 2 decades of subpar OS performance, constant malware attacks, and non standard interfaces, when will the fanatics give up. They always seem to be ever optimistic that the next fix is around the corner: 98 was junk, wait to NT and ME. Then wait till XP (which was their best OS). Then they foisted the memory hogging, dreadful Windows 7 on us and it was wait till 8 with its' ridiculous interface. Then it became, wait until 10. When will it end for them?
Disclaimer: I have a Mac and iPhone, However, I spend most of my working hours on a Red Hat box. I am not a fanatic for Apple, I just realized that they make a better product.
What vulnerabilities? I’m seeing claims, but zero evidence - countered by most people running Macs cleanly with no “security software”, something Windows can’t be run without.
Running no antivirus or protection of any kind means they feel their computer is safe enough to run on a public network without security issues. It’s implied based on the attitude.
Only military-grade systems on isolated networks are secure enough to not require a security scanning and feedback mechanism. Does this make sense now?
As old as 25 years? WOW! What a stretch you are making to lie about Apple. How is that even possible? OS X was originated as a server first used in 1998, seventeen years ago. Ergo, OS X cannot have any holes in it older than eighteen years. As a desktop system in the wild, OS X has been in existence only since 2001, fourteen years. As a hardware system, Apple converted to Intel in 2006, nine years ago. Up Yours Marxists, you are either lying through your teeth because you just don't like Apple. . . or you are so ignorant about Apple's operating systems you don't have a clue about what you are talking about.
Which damning thing do you choose to be saddled with? It is either one, or the other, or it can be both. Choose A, B, or C. Frankly, knowing your background on FR and in these threads, I lean toward C. . . especially after that second lying paragraph.
Every spamming piece of malware laden crap I've EVER received has come from a Windows Spambot, not from any infected Mac. How do I know? There are no spambot Macs. The only MacBots ever claimed turned out to be HOAXes cooked up by Dr. Web, a Russian "security" company, to try and sell their new Mac anti-virus software. No one ever found an infected member of their claimed 600,000 member (and later 20,000 member) MacBot in the wild despite their providing the UUIDs of the claimed infected Macs.
The extreme spinner here is YOU.
Not true. Windows can be run without antivirus software and be configured to have similar security to a mac, even a Unix server.
Vulnerabilities exist. So to back doors. Anyone who trusts Unix any more than Apple any more than Microsoft is an outright fool.
Always scan. Always protect. Never trust. Always verify.
“Going out on the internet or any network without protection is like going into a Saigon whore house without a box of rubbers.”
When using a Mac, you don’t need that protection if you’re not clearly agreeing to get penetrated by whatever strange & shady entity wants to f*** your system.
While what you say is mostly true, I would modify your statement a bit:
Only fools trust ONLY their operating system to protect them. Follow best practices , remain vigilant, and hope for the best.A firewall, for example, should have its logs examined regularly, either manually or (better) automatically, with alerting to the operator by email and some sort of visual alarm for serious problems.
There's not much value to a security appliance or software that doesn't warn you proactively when something's wrong.
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