Posted on 03/01/2016 9:25:09 PM PST by dayglored
Even without “changing the password”, how could they have circumvented the 10 tries and wiped scenario?
(A) Apple made these changes (that effectively keep court ordered inspections blocked) in response to earlier court ordered inspections (Apple assisted in something like 70 cases)
(B) The technology itself can be outlawed (encryption falls under war weapon technology and is restricted in export and other categories).
What is to stop all devices from adding “self-destruct” technology?
And rob us of our freedom to boot.
Good for Apple for standing their ground and refusing to cave.
If it was an employer issued phone, wouldn't their tech dept. have the necessary code to unlock it? ...One would think so.......
How could they "reset" the password without knowing the origina pw? Every time I've had to reset a pw, I had to provide the original.
“The FBI is not that incompetent.”
I’ll take that bet. They not only are that incompetent, they are also as political and diabolical as they ever have been since J. Edgar Hoover, which I realize is your point.
I take this as the FBI trying to turn their incompetence “lemons” into “lemonade”. The f’ed this up and then decided to make it about Apple, not their incompetence.
I have had the pleasure of recently being acquainted with some FBI folks, and that is why I believe there is no basis for removing the possibility of incompetence. I believe it was a likely cause. The political hacks decided to try to make hay out of it by lying.
Because the employer had access to Farook’s email account, so they could reset it by email confirmation.
Thanks!
Good point about the FBI not being that incompetent. Perhaps they had already retrieved the data on the phone and knew it had no value, but then decided to make this a test case to force Apple to build in the access they wanted all along.
Apple’s Chief Counsel’s testimony to Co gross made the point they have a whole team dedicated to assisting law enforcement. The chances of the FBI not knowing that? Zero.
The entire letter is at bottom of page at link. (Bold mine)
San Bernardino Survivor's Husband To Judge: Terrorist iPhone "Unlikely" To Hold Valuable Information
"..... In my opinion it is unlikely there is any valuable information on this phone," Salihin wrote in the letter, which was obtained by BuzzFeed News."This was a work phone. My wife also had an iPhone issued by the County and she did not use it for any personal communication," Salihin continued. "San Bernardino is one of the largest counties in the country. They can track the phone on GPS in case they needed to determine where people were. Second, both the iCloud account and carrier account were controlled by the county so they could track any communications. This was common knowledge among my wife and other employees.
"Why then would someone store vital contacts related to an attack on a phone they knew the county had access to? They destroyed their personal phones after the attack. And I believe they did that for a reason."
(Snip)
Finally, and the reason for my letter to the court, I believe privacy is important and Apple should stay firm in their decision. Neither I, nor my wife, want to raise our children where privacy is a tradeoff for security. I believe this case will have a huge impact all over the world. You will have agencies from all over the world to get access to the software the FBI is asking for. It will be abused all over to spy on innocent people.
America should be proud of Apple. Proud that it is an American company and we should protect them not try to tear them down.
I support them in this case and I hope the court will too."
Bottom line as far as I am concerned.
Because nothing happens in a vacuum.....
The following article describes a meeting in January between tech companies and members of the WH Administration.
Apple’s Privacy Fight Tests Relationship With White House
WASHINGTON — Timothy D. Cook, the chief executive of Apple, was relentless during a private meeting of tech giants and President Obama’s top national security officials last month. Encrypted devices like the iPhone are here to stay, he insisted. Law enforcement needs to find a way to do its job in a new world.Denis McDonough was stung. Cry me a river. Boo-effen-hoo.James B. Comey Jr., the director of the F.B.I., and Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch pushed back, but Mr. Cook stood firm, several participants said.
“With all due respect,” Mr. Cook told those around the table, including Mr. Obama’s counterterrorism chief and the heads of the National Security Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, “I think there has been a lack of leadership in the White House on this.”
Denis R. McDonough, the president’s chief of staff, took exception and said so. Law enforcement officials described him as stung by what they called Mr. Cook’s “rant,” although tech executives in the room insisted that Apple’s chief executive was respectful.
My personal, but unprovable theory is this.
A theory which is impossible to prove. It does not approach the tin foil level because we know how this WH operates. We are being played and so many are falling for it hook line & sinker. :(
Why am I not surprised, good post and reporting, thanks!
“FBI finally admits it’s their own damn fault the phone is still locked ... PING!”
Not exactly.
As always, the government wants to be rewarded for its imcompetence.
Actually, these first two items are easy to disprove. Apple knows when something is backed up to the cloud. They also know when the password was changed. Therefore, the first item is false because the 2nd didn't happen as stated.
The FBI is really that dumb.
I pay for my family's cell phones. That means that I have access to the online bill. The online bill shows every call made, every text sent or received, and who they were to/from.
Terrorists (at least those who are not complete idiots) would not use an employer phone for making their terror plans, or calling their terrorist friends. They would buy a cash-plan phone from WalMart, and use that.
They could pass a law that prevents device makers from putting encryption on the device, but they wouldn't be able to prevent users from putting their own encryption on there. PGP, GPG, VeraCrypt - there are a host of commercial and open source encryption tools. (Personally, I would tend to trust the open source tools more - commercial tools are more susceptible to government pressure to put in back doors.)
We are doomed.
OK. That is possible.
Now... what in the world could be on that government owned phone that would magically enable the FBI to 'solve the case' ?
Are we to believe that there are no video cameras anywhere around a government building ? Are we to believe that there are witnesses who describe a 3rd shooter, and yet the FBI says there is not, unless they can get to what's on the phone ?
Why were the couple not fleeing the area ? They obviously didn't want to die, or they would never have left the building where the shootings took place.
Because he would then be forced to lie to the public.
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