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What If Apple Is Wrong?
MIT Technology Review ^ | Apr 7, 2016 | Brian Bergstein

Posted on 05/09/2016 11:35:11 AM PDT by Ray76

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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Let me try:

Under our Constitution, our government is not empowered to compel you, without current warrantable cause, to provide them the means of easily acquiring evidence against you later.


21 posted on 05/09/2016 12:21:57 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("Get the he11 out of my way!" - John Galt)
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To: GingisK

Apple is right


22 posted on 05/09/2016 12:22:16 PM PDT by vooch
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23 posted on 05/09/2016 12:23:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: pgyanke
When did this become a country where the government’s convenience trumps the rights of the people?

If your next door neighbor works for the IRS or the county or some agency, your neighbor is the government.

Does your neighbor have the right to read the texts you send to your wife, or come to your house and go through your bank statement?

Hell no.

'The Government' is people acting in their own interest, disregarding yours.

24 posted on 05/09/2016 12:36:34 PM PDT by IncPen (Hey Media: Bias = Layoffs)
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To: Boogieman

Don’t they already?


25 posted on 05/09/2016 12:37:02 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Ray76

I guess the police couldn’t solve crimes before phones.


26 posted on 05/09/2016 12:52:54 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: Ray76
Are we certain we want to eliminate an important source of evidence that helps not only cops and prosecutors but also judges, juries, and defense attorneys arrive at the truth?

Strawman argument; if someone wishes to use evidence from (any) device in their defense, they can certainly use it. The problem, really, is that so many things are now considered illegal that giving a prosecutor your phone is ensuring that you will, indeed, be charged with a crime. And most likely, it will have nothing to do with what you were being investigated for.

As phones track your movement (many even count steps, and constantly update the GPS location, including velocity), your data footprint (including many sites where you're logged in already, meaning the prosecutor can now wander through all of those websites as well..), and what could be many years of photographs and videos.

Here's you picking up a rock at a national park - evidence of disturbing the natural environment which just happens to be a crime. Here's a picture of you smoking a cigarette on a public beach, another crime, or data proving that you were going 85 miles an hour on a very empty highway.

IF we could actually trust public servants to JUST do their job, and IF we could dial back the mass of illegal acts, then MAYBE were a judge to issue a very LIMITED search warrant, I could see something being done with that.

But ultimately, contemplate the following: Do you really want to give access to Afghani authorities who have decided to prosecute a Christian? Once opened for one law enforcement order or judicial order, Apple, as a worldwide company, would be subject to ALL law enforcement and judicial orders.

27 posted on 05/09/2016 12:59:09 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Ray76

The government has giver up the moral right to this argument by directing the DOD spy agency (NSA) to engage in domestic surveillance.

The US Government collects more data on Americans every two days than the STASI collected in its entire 40 year history. (About 900 million pages)

Good for Apple.


28 posted on 05/09/2016 1:07:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: Hulka

Well, theoretically, humans are clever enough to find a way to break into anything. However, the latest security measures with 128-bit encryption make it extraordinarily difficult to do.

Give the government the backdoor that it wants, and soon the hackers will have access to that too, and we might as well forget about e-commerce and all that jazz that secure encryption makes possible.


29 posted on 05/09/2016 1:09:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Yup. . .but I think hackers (mole) in a business WILL sell the keys to someone with a big enough bank account—and delivered with luving care by a total knock-out babe (honey-trap).


30 posted on 05/09/2016 1:15:19 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

“but I think hackers (mole) in a business WILL sell the keys to someone with a big enough bank account”

Well, that’s the beauty of the current system. The businesses have no keys to sell, because the users create the keys and store them on their own device in an area that the manufacturer can’t access.


31 posted on 05/09/2016 1:33:08 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ray76

Paper that can be burned, pencils that can be erased, and rooms without a government microphone also allow people to write and communicate in ways the government cannot access. The founders thought those communications should be protected from government oversight and self-incrimination and I agree even if technology has changed.

Also, when the government adds a tool to get around the legal or technological “problems” with surveillance, the real bad guys add a tool to avoid it. And WE are left being the ones who the government takes freedom from.


32 posted on 05/09/2016 1:47:03 PM PDT by LostPassword
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To: GingisK
> There is just that stinky old Fifth Amendment that We The People wanted between us and a tyranny. Other than that, I suppose there is no reason.

Well, maybe the Fourth also.

If Hillary! gets in this November we can pretty much kiss most of the First, all of the Second, Fourth, and Fifth, goodbye. We've already lost the Ninth and Tenth long since.

33 posted on 05/09/2016 1:52:59 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Ray76

The CEO of Apple may have something to hide on his phone......


34 posted on 05/09/2016 2:14:46 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound
The CEO of Apple may have something to hide on his phone.....

Are you willing to make all of your information public? All of it?

35 posted on 05/09/2016 3:32:45 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

The article is a good read.

Mostly people want to troll this subject and feel good about themselves.
But providing security and Common Law legal access are both necessary.
And will become more so as cheap encryption spread.


36 posted on 05/09/2016 3:48:23 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: GingisK

I took a photo of a bird the other day and then there is the list of phone calls to relatives and then the history of websites I go to on the phone like freerepublic. That might get me in trouble! : )


37 posted on 05/09/2016 4:06:33 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: minnesota_bound

How about your bank account numbers and passwords?


38 posted on 05/09/2016 4:48:45 PM PDT by GingisK
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