(Vanity) Why is there no set process for a state to leave the union?

GraceG

[Starboard]

Debt at $19.26 TRILLION and rising fast. This is not going to end well at all.

[Pilgrim's Progress]

I just want to make you aware that I BEAT YOU BY 11 SECONDS!!!

HA!!!!!

[GraceG]

[ Go ahead. Leave.

I hope your social security is all paid up, because I will be using it.

Thanks. Bye. ]

That was funny right there!

[broken_arrow1]

So, legally you can’t leave?... by who’s laws? Easy solution, the state passes a law that says the Fed Gov’t laws are illegal-null-and-void, and the state can write a law that says it can leave - that simple!

You leave, and suffer the consequences, which equals civil war against a bunch of pussies, dykes and trannies. All other soldier in the military will want to side with the state. done!

[GraceG]

[ Didn’t you recall the Pledge of Alligence?

“....Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all....”

Of course we will have to update that to today’s standards. ]

The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a jack-wagon big government progressive in the late 1800’s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

Bellamy was a “christian SOCIALIST minister”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy#Political_views

Enjoy!

[rockrr]

Yes it was. It was a United States federal installation that was illegally seized by insurrectionists.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

When the states ratified the constitution, several (including VA and NY) included provisions saying that they “declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” So basically then, the way to exit the union would be the same as you enter it: a ratification by the legislature of the state. People will say that Lincoln settled this issue by his coercive war, but in the end the Fed gov simply had the seceding states renounce their right to secede. But then, if they never had the right to secede in the first place (as Lincoln claimed), how can they reject a right they never had?

[DNME]

A State wishing to secede should first make DAMN sure that an overwhelming super-majority of its citizens want such a course of action, then just announce it as a foregone conclusion and await the fallout.

There is no official procedure for secession so new ground would be broken with each vote and declaration. It would be a wild ride!

Of course, the whole thing might fall apart when Washington sends the bill for that State’s share of the national debt, due and payable immediately.

[Tau Food]

The Constitution is a creation of the People of the United States. Our Constitution begins as follows: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union . . ."

The people of the United States formed political bonds with one another. No state, county, city, school district or homeowners' association" has the power to dissolve those bonds.

You are a citizen of the United States. Your neighbors cannot cancel your United States citizenship for you no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can cancel your citizenship.

You have constitutional rights under the United States Constitution. Your neighbors cannot deprive you of those rights no matter what percentage of them might want to do so. Only you can waive your rights as an individual under the Constitution.

You're exceptional. You're an American!

[onona]

After the federal government goes bankrupt the US will split into about 6 different countries.

Yep, and that will be out of necessity and damn near outright survival.

[CommerceComet]

Where did you learn your history. It is not only far fetched but illogical as well

If you spend much time over on the religion forum, you would have seen this type of stuff from Arthur before.

[Wallace T.]

Assuming Hillary Clinton defeats Trump, with the selection of liberal justices to the Supreme Court and the extension of the pervert revolution of Obama, secession may be the only means to save at least some of the states from absolute depravity and a dictatorship of the left. Whether the Constitution permits secession of a state is not relevant. That document has been a dead letter since the New Deal. Whether the failed Southern secession was due to a desire to preserve liberty or save slavery is not relevant. We are not talking about tariffs or human chattel but the prevention of a long era of tyranny as Russia suffered for over 70 years.

[patriot08]

Lincoln WAS a tyrant and a mass murderer. He made war against states for exercising a natural right declared in the Declaration. Thus, Lincoln nullified the Declaration

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Agree.

I called Lincoln a mass murderer once on FR, and I flamed so it was unbelievable.

[Vermont Lt]

It was a joke....

[rockrr]

Justifiably so.

[Sans-Culotte]

It’s something like the Hotel California . . . you can check in but you can’t check out.

Or the Black flag Roach Motel.

[SoCal Pubbie]

Your proposal sucks.

[GraceG]

[ Assuming Hillary Clinton defeats Trump, with the selection of liberal justices to the Supreme Court and the extension of the pervert revolution of Obama, secession may be the only means to save at least some of the states from absolute depravity and a dictatorship of the left. Whether the Constitution permits secession of a state is not relevant. That document has been a dead letter since the New Deal. Whether the failed Southern secession was due to a desire to preserve liberty or save slavery is not relevant. We are not talking about tariffs or human chattel but the prevention of a long era of tyranny as Russia suffered for over 70 years. ]

Very good point there

[Hulka]

“Many states, such as Texas, retained that right explicitly in the very articles by which their legislature approved entering the Union.”

Would you please provide a link for that?

Thanks.

[cornfedcowboy]

To early to leave. Still plenty of free money from the fed.