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F-35 Stealth Fighter vs. A-10 Warthog: The Ultimate Close Air Support Showdown
nationalinterest.org ^ | 5 July 2016 | Kris Osborn

Posted on 07/06/2016 3:50:50 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

If the aircraft loses all of its electronics including its digital displays and targeting systems, the pilot of an A-10 can still fly, drop general purpose bombs and shoot the 30mm cannon, Haden explained.

“So when I lose all the computers and the calculations, the targeting pod and the heads up display, you can still point the aircraft using a degraded system at the target and shoot. We are actually trained for that,” he said.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: a10; warthog
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Let me guess, they’re going to rig this test in favor of the latest plastic fantastic?


21 posted on 07/06/2016 4:33:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Sasparilla

Low, slow and lethal. Having an A-10 show up in a fire fight is like having your big brother show up in a street fight.


22 posted on 07/06/2016 4:34:14 PM PDT by jmacusa ("Dats all I can stands 'cuz I can't stands no more!''-- Popeye The Sailorman.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

You’d send in specialized aircraft to neutralize the anti-aircraft missiles before you’d send in the ground support aircraft. No one’s talking about getting rid of the Spectre gunships but you wouldn’t put them up against anti-aircraft unless you’re an idiot.


23 posted on 07/06/2016 4:36:59 PM PDT by MeganC (The decline of civilization will be carried out by those who are just doing their jobs.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Zeroing the puff targeting system.......Go out in abandoned field, set height and bank angle, shoot guns, draw crosshairs on side cockpit window where bullets are impacting.

Next, proceeded to target area and have a nice day!


24 posted on 07/06/2016 4:40:43 PM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: rdcbn

Find me a grunt, just one who would rather have an F-35 for support than an A-10 when holding a defense against a superior force.....just one.

The gun is bigger, better and has 1300 rounds instead of 180 in the 35. Oh, and did I mention the 35s gun wont work until 2019?
Loiter? Please.
Hardpoints and weapon variety, Please, not even close.
Survivability? Warthog is BUILT for that.

Like I said, find me one grunt...


25 posted on 07/06/2016 4:40:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
If you reflect on it, the A-10 is a natural for the Marine Corps. It is built for close support, and should be flown by someone who identifies with infantrymen.

Marine airmen (if such still exist) traditionally train as infantry before they become pilots.

26 posted on 07/06/2016 4:47:24 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Chode

How do you use it in the dark???

Yes you can place a light source at the edge to illuminate the grease pencil?? That is the rear sight point???

We’re on the ground, and everyone of us, knows how they put one bullet on every square foot of a football field in a few seconds!

The tracers are oscillating, and I’m shaking like a dog crap’n peach pits...


27 posted on 07/06/2016 4:56:50 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Word is that we are all in, and prepared for the last war!


28 posted on 07/06/2016 4:59:20 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

AF goons I talk to say A-10 is unfit for modern force conflicts.

Gunning down jihadi technicals is a lot different than going against modern Russian and/or Chinese integrated forces.


29 posted on 07/06/2016 5:00:36 PM PDT by 13foxtrot
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To: mrsmith
The new gun will also be integrated with the F-35’s software so as to enable the pilot to see and destroy targets using a helmet-mounted display.

The gun is slated to be operational by 2017.

Slated? Sometime later, yes the check is in the mail.Trust me.

30 posted on 07/06/2016 5:07:48 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: rdcbn

You would find thousands that would refuse the JSF.
They simply luv their jet and the mission and the GUN.
JSF can’t do that.


31 posted on 07/06/2016 5:11:48 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: MeganC
I think you will find that it really depends upon the circumstances.

The A-10s recent precision stand off munitions upgrade keeps it in the game but an A-10 can't put ordnance on target if its a smoking hole in the ground .

Modern air defense is wicked and the A10 is very vulnerable

Ask a marine whether he would rather have air support from an F35B STOVAL operating from a stretch of highway 30 miles to the rear or from a carrier just off shore with rapid turn around or an A-10 based 500 miles away.

You might be surprised at what you hear

No pilot that values his life wants to fly anything but an F22 or F35 on the first few hours on day one of a major conflict

That's a fact

32 posted on 07/06/2016 5:15:08 PM PDT by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Milleraereh)
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To: walkingdead

Whatever it was, I’m here to say it worked.

But when you are on the ground, first you see the tracers, note one in five.
Next you hear the projectiles impact the trees and earth.

Then the noise, taking its time at 1100 fps.


33 posted on 07/06/2016 5:16:40 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
wasn't making fun of or lite of you at in the least, i understand your point completely...

and at night it's more of a case of knowing where you are than where the enemy is and aiming by point if tracer impact

you have my utmost respect

34 posted on 07/06/2016 5:25:25 PM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience)
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To: walkingdead

Also some simple geometry?

I recall that they were well above tracer burnout 3000’(?).

They are flying at 5000?
The distance from the windscreen to eye is ~2’
Distance to target ~7000? (45 d.)

We are 100m from center of target.
How much head movement can I live with?


35 posted on 07/06/2016 5:29:00 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: colorado tanker; Kozak

” ‘If the AF doesn’t want the A 10 , move em to the Army.’

I second that motion!”

Can’t be done.

By public law, US Army is not allowed armed fixed-wing aircraft.

USMC would not want to take on the maintenance and system management regimens. Even if they did accept responsibility, OC would likely not last more than a few months. USN maintenance standards are not so picky.


36 posted on 07/06/2016 5:31:42 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: Chode

I can have fun with it now.
Not to worry, I’m sane and have the papers to prove it!


37 posted on 07/06/2016 5:33:59 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: schurmann

If the Air Force really, really wants to get rid of the A-10 this time, the law could be changed to allow it in the next appropriation bill.


38 posted on 07/06/2016 5:35:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: DUMBGRUNT

JHMCS?


39 posted on 07/06/2016 5:38:17 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: colorado tanker

Fine, tear up the - what was it, the Key West Accords(?) - and give it to the Army.

Any and all arrows in the quiver, should remain there until something “proven” comes along to replace it.

180, 20mm rounds in the F-35 gun - really?

Stealth will be defeated. Anything moving through a fluid will leave a wake. It’s just a matter of time.


40 posted on 07/06/2016 5:48:37 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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