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Attempt to explain away ‘dark energy’ takes a hit
Science ^ | 19 Jul, 2016 | Adrian Cho

Posted on 07/19/2016 12:47:11 PM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: Vaquero

Exactly. Balancing equations. If something is missing in an equation, give it a variable name and dimensions and call it something cool like dark matter.


21 posted on 07/19/2016 1:30:49 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Boogieman

Increasing with distance... Maybe the frame of reference is not the micro but the macro. That the cause and effect is flipped — and the expanding universe is producing the force and not the other way around?


22 posted on 07/19/2016 1:38:08 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

“That the cause and effect is flipped — and the expanding universe is producing the force and not the other way around?”

Perhaps. I have a similar hypothesis, but about gravity, which I see as kind of the flip side of this force of expansion. I believe gravity is simply an effect of drag caused by the interaction of the expansion force and the inertia of the matter that the expanding space is trying to pull along with it. Spacetime is free to expand where there is no matter, but when matter is present, its inertia resists the expansion, causing spacetime to distort when it tries to pull the matter with it, and this distortion in the geometry of spacetime causes the gravitational effects we are familiar with.


23 posted on 07/19/2016 1:47:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dhs12345

In that case, what is making the universe expand?

“Dark energy” is just shorthand way of saying that something is missing from relativity or the standard model, something that we can only observe across vast scales.


24 posted on 07/19/2016 1:48:00 PM PDT by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: MtnClimber

ROFL!!! that was great.

It’s evil, dark energy!!! I can feel it!!

I dont know what the #### it is.


25 posted on 07/19/2016 1:52:26 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Boogieman

Wow. Very interesting idea!

So there is a larger all encompassing force (super negative gravity) and gravity is simply an artifact of that force. That would explain why it repels versus attracts.

Cool.

Have you tried to prove this mathematically?


26 posted on 07/19/2016 3:22:16 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: MtnClimber

Bkmk.


27 posted on 07/19/2016 5:41:32 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: MtnClimber
Or, it could signal that physicists' understanding of gravity isn't quite right.

If your math will not work unless you add in something you invented then you should question your basic assumptions.

28 posted on 07/19/2016 5:52:37 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: MtnClimber

There is so much we don’t know.

...

But our knowledge keeps increasing every day.


29 posted on 07/19/2016 6:00:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62

The knowledge does keep increasing for sure. Gut we have no way of knowing if we are at 20% or 80%.


30 posted on 07/19/2016 6:16:27 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

The universe needs more cow bell.


31 posted on 07/19/2016 6:27:47 PM PDT by TheOldSchool
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To: MtnClimber

The Big Bang theory devotees are crying.


32 posted on 07/19/2016 6:52:52 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: dhs12345

“Have you tried to prove this mathematically?”

Nah, it’s just a concept I’ve been toying with, I’m not a professional so when it comes to tensor equations and fourth dimensional math, I’ll get lost :)

I think the basic math is already there though, in general relativity, because Einstein had to account for this “cosmological constant” in order to make it work. So if my idea is correct, there should be some solution to the GR equations that would show how to derive the equation for gravity from the equation for the cosmological constant. I’m just probably not the guy to figure out what that solution is.


33 posted on 07/19/2016 7:25:42 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Just because they don't bother to restate that every time doesn't mean it isn't taken into account.

Agreed.

So, they are stating that the 'observable' universe is expanding. Then they assume that the non-observable universe must also be expanding. And they assume it's size. Neither of which is provable, at this point.

We have no more proof it is expanding than we do that it is collapsing (although the collapsing theory would eventually be 'prove-able').

What really happens is that as our technology improves, our 'understanding' of the universe evolves. We went from collapsing to expanding. It may end up that neither is true.

34 posted on 07/19/2016 7:45:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: dhs12345

Or... the Planck Constant.


35 posted on 07/19/2016 7:49:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Spaghettification anyone?

Is it just a coincidence the human brain looks like a pile of spaghetti ?

36 posted on 07/19/2016 7:50:11 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: linear; dhs12345
In that case, what is making the universe expand?

Heat.Heat causes expansion. If we take away all sources of heat, there would be nothing in the Universe, ergo it would not exist.

(kind of like the inside of my brane).

37 posted on 07/19/2016 7:56:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: MtnClimber
Both teams found that the expansion is speeding up, suggesting that dark energy is blowing up the universe like a balloon

"Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself...""

-- Isaiah 44:24

38 posted on 07/19/2016 8:08:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: UCANSEE2

Exactly.

Or pi?


39 posted on 07/20/2016 8:19:50 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Pi makes the world go round.


40 posted on 07/20/2016 2:08:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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