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'NATO HAS NO CHANCE’ Russia’s secret super submarine fleet could be unstoppable...
The Sun ^ | 7/29/2016 | Mark Hodge

Posted on 07/30/2016 9:46:11 AM PDT by Signalman

Vladimir Putin is assembling a secret fleet of super submarines which could topple NATO and plunge the world into war.

A report by naval experts warns that Russia already has a small but sophisticated army of subs which are capable of launching missile strikes across the globe.

The deadly group of stealthy underwater weapons are currently patrolling the world and have already reportedly breached UK waters having approached the Royal Navy’s base in Faslane, Scotland.

Russia is stepping up its secret submarine programme to ‘Cold War’ levels and experts warn NATO members “no longer” have the defences to stop the aquatic death machines.

Andrew Metrick, who co-wrote the report for the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), said: “Russia operates a small number of very small, nuclear powered submarines that are capable of diving in excess of several thousand meters.

“You can imagine what a clandestine deployable deep submergence vehicle could be used for.

“It’s pretty scary to think about some of the types of missions.

“It’s probably the most shadowy part of the Russian undersea apparatus. It’s not operated by their navy, it’s operated by a separate branch of their Ministry of Defense.”

While the fleet is not as big as the Soviet Union’s colossal arsenal, the report says the new subs can dive deeper, and move quieter, than any ever before.

The nuclear-powered ships are armed with electronic warfare gear, long-range cruise missiles, torpedoes and mines.

And while the Kremlin is growing their amphibious firepower, the number of US submarines is dwindling.

The incredible report says the formerly formidable Royal Navy is at its “lowest ebb” while NATO needs to reinvest its defence capabilities or risk being toppled by the might of Putin’s super subs.

Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain with Center for New American Security, told Breaking Defense said: “We’re in a bad place as an alliance with regard to Russia’s underwater resurgence.”



TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: nato; russia; submaries
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‘NATO HAS NO CHANCE’ Russia’s secret super submarine fleet could be unstoppable in World War III scenario, expert warns

1 posted on 07/30/2016 9:46:11 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Signalman

And Bill Clinton made sure they had quiet screws


2 posted on 07/30/2016 9:51:39 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Signalman

NATO may not, but aside from the U.S., NATO has a minuscule ASW force. Our ASW forces, on the other hand, are modernized and still superior in number, training, and effectiveness vs the Russians. The Russians still rely on their submarine fleet for their capital ships and that fleet is an order of magnitude smaller than in its cold war prime. They are dangerous but not fearless. They may cause havoc but they will still lose.


3 posted on 07/30/2016 9:53:12 AM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long .as it's mandatory.)
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To: Signalman

Quite a sensational headline.......

The cold war “build up” of Russian forces in intelligence, defense, and media circles has begun again. At the end of the cold war, when the fog was lifted, we found out that their military was nowhere near as mighty as we had made it out to be.

Simply pointing that out. I won’t discount the danger of submarines, but saying their sub fleet “could be” unstoppable is absurd. Perfect illustration of how news headlines become more and more like the tabloids at the checkout counter? Click bait. Write something like this about anything and people go “oh my gosh” and they email it to their friends and post it on fakebook and the cycle repeats with clicks galore = money for the author and host website.


4 posted on 07/30/2016 9:59:00 AM PDT by volunbeer (Clinton Cash = Proof of Corruption)
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To: Signalman

Awesome quote -

“Putin’s band of nuclear powered death machines have already reportedly breached UK waters”

Great stuff. Sounds like a trailer for a new Marverl movie.

... and only Avengers can stop them.
Oh, and Batman.

“A report by naval experts warns that Russia already has a small but sophisticated army of subs which are capable of launching missile strikes across the globe.”

The crew is made up of reptiloids. Submarines are using romulan cloaking devices and armed with photon torpedoes.

Quickly, nuke Russia before it’s too late!

“It’s probably the most shadowy part of the Russian undersea apparatus. It’s not operated by their navy, it’s operated by a separate branch of their Ministry of Defense.”

Hail Hydra!


5 posted on 07/30/2016 10:01:15 AM PDT by Vostok-1
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To: Nifster

Actually it was Hitachi and Toshiba sold the tech to the Soviets.


6 posted on 07/30/2016 10:04:15 AM PDT by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Signalman; Jeff Head

No matter how many times this article is recycled, it’s still bullshit.


7 posted on 07/30/2016 10:06:36 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Nifster
And Bill Clinton made sure they had quiet screws.

If that was intended as a Clinton joke, it needed a *rimshot* or *Bazinga* to make it clear. Because despite my hatred for All Things Clinton, I'm forced to point out that the Toshiba-Kongsberg scandal began a decade before Slick was elected.

8 posted on 07/30/2016 10:08:59 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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"And Bill Clinton made sure they had quiet screws"

That's Traitorclinton. And all he really cares about is the screws he gets on Lolita Island.

9 posted on 07/30/2016 10:12:12 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Signalman

I’m more worried about the demoncrats starting a war than Russia. They’re the stable country...we’re NOT.


10 posted on 07/30/2016 10:20:30 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: Signalman

Sounds like the sun is pulling their stories from sputnik.


11 posted on 07/30/2016 10:23:05 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Don W

During the Clinton years when we never bothered to prosecute those who sold technology that they got from us


12 posted on 07/30/2016 10:37:54 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Charles Martel

And continued through his tenure

If you want to also blame bush feel free


13 posted on 07/30/2016 10:38:58 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Carl Vehse

Bill Clinton is all about quiet screws.


14 posted on 07/30/2016 11:05:39 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Never be more than two steps away from your weapon.)
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To: Mariner; Vostok-1; volunbeer; Afterguard; Signalman

I was just wondering. With the current technology available, would it be able to have a submarine that is nuclear powered that is unmanned, drone-like that you could basically take out, put on the bottom and just wait for activation and/or just put it in a slow float or “idle” to keep machinery working but keeping it slow and low enough to avoid sonar?

Just laying out their and waiting for activation. No crew, no worries about supply and just lurking. You could make it come up if you wanted to “check” it, but otherwise just a gun pointed at our heads.

I’m not educated in the maritime engineering or actual operations of a sub is why I ask.


15 posted on 07/30/2016 11:31:32 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Mariner; Vostok-1; volunbeer; Afterguard; Signalman

The reason I’m asking is that I think we are at the very beginning of unmanned weapons making warfare much more deadly, rapid and limited only by resources and imagination.

I’m not saying that man on the ground killing another man is going to stop, I’m just saying that augmented soldiers will be more deadly and tip the scales in the favor of technology. Exo-skeletons, small lethal drones, small insect like probes for real time sound and video, instead of bombs maybe hundreds of small self directed munitions that are released etc.

I am sure if I thought about it, the really smart guys in the DOD are thinking about it also.


16 posted on 07/30/2016 11:37:27 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Signalman

Rule #1 for reading press reports of new Russian weapons;

They always have magical capabilities, defying the laws of physics.


17 posted on 07/30/2016 11:45:44 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Nifster
The espionage that tipped the Soviets to our anti-submarine capabilities was occurring over many years, stretching from the Nixon/Ford to the Reagan years. John A. Walker and his accomplices went to prison (I think Walker died in prison before eligible for parole).

The damage that Walker did was significant, but in the Toshiba-Kongsberg incident, no specifically United States goods or technology was involved - only the equipment of western partner nations that should've known better.

I'm sure that Clinton did far worse than the Walker spy ring (The Loral (MIRV) tech to China alone is equivalent), but I've never heard of further naval technology flowing to the Russians during Bubba's tenure. If you have the details, please educate me.

As for Bush (41, I presume), most of this stuff was in the rear-view mirror by 1989. The spies were caught and punished while Reagan was in office, but by the time investigators knew what damage had been done, it was too late to focus on certain industrial exports. The Soviets already had the multi-axis machining tools they needed to quiet their subs.

18 posted on 07/30/2016 11:48:14 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Dick Vomer
Unmanned subs are difficult and limited, at best.

They can't communicate in real time through the sea, though it is possible to give them very short, encoded instruction via VLF down to about 100ft.

19 posted on 07/30/2016 11:57:22 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Signalman

Sub looks like an old Delta.


20 posted on 07/30/2016 11:58:21 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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