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To: Baynative

The basic theory is one that looks sound at first glance, but doesn’t hold up under scrutiny or real-life testing.

The theory is, things that are underground tend to be a constant, cool temperature. Water condenses at cooler temperatures. Therefore, pump air underground where it’s cooler than aboveground, and the water will condense out and become usable.

The reality is, pumping air underground causes the ground in that spot to warm up, until it matches the average temperature of the air being pumped in. End result: it might condense water out of the air for the first few hours, or even a day, but then it stops working.

(It also only works if the air is warm enough and carries enough humidity.)

Parts of that design look like something I’ve been toying with that uses peltier devices to achieve the right temperature, but the ground itself will never do the trick. And even then, the one I’ve been toying with is meant as a low-power dehumidifier, not a constant water source.


17 posted on 11/21/2016 9:00:17 PM PST by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: Ellendra
The reality is, pumping air underground causes the ground in that spot to warm up, until it matches the average temperature of the air being pumped in. End result: it might condense water out of the air for the first few hours, or even a day, but then it stops working.

No, my heat pump heats up a channel under the ground in the summer but this heat is constantly conducted away by the surrounding earth - which is pretty much the same way this product works. The heat pump works in reverse in the winter, cooling the channel around the water pipe buried out there in the backyard.

Been working for 30+ years now and the earth keeps giving me heat in the winter and coolth in the summer.
41 posted on 11/21/2016 9:25:35 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Ellendra
Still thinking about it all, being an electronics type and not a therodynamics geek.

But, as far as the slow heating of the ground, sure, but the ground its one helluva heatsinnk. Given decnt conductivity, no way is that small container going to heat th e surrounding earth very much. Heck, stirring your coffee theoretically heats is, but with all the losses, you could never measure it.

50 posted on 11/21/2016 9:53:13 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Ellendra

The caves in NorthWest Arkansas have been doing this for a few years.


64 posted on 11/22/2016 2:24:53 AM PST by fella ("As this iiwas before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Ellendra

The basic theory is one that looks sound at first glance, but doesn’t hold up under scrutiny or real-life testing.

The theory is, things that are underground tend to be a constant, cool temperature. Water condenses at cooler temperatures. Therefore, pump air underground where it’s cooler than aboveground, and the water will condense out and become usable.

The reality is, pumping air underground causes the ground in that spot to warm up, until it matches the average temperature of the air being pumped in. End result: it might condense water out of the air for the first few hours, or even a day, but then it stops working.

(It also only works if the air is warm enough and carries enough humidity.)

Parts of that design look like something I’ve been toying with that uses peltier devices to achieve the right temperature, but the ground itself will never do the trick. And even then, the one I’ve been toying with is meant as a low-power dehumidifier, not a constant water source.


^^^^^ This Plus don’t intend to survive on it in arid regions, and in regions with high enough humidity there is usually surface water or ground water accessible and treatable. Sounds like someone is trolling for venture capitol.


73 posted on 11/22/2016 5:13:02 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Ellendra
The reality is, pumping air underground causes the ground in that spot to warm up, until it matches the average temperature of the air being pumped in. End result: it might condense water out of the air for the first few hours, or even a day, but then it stops working.

This means that you might be able to successfully run a demo (for a short while), but long-term it will stop working. It would work if the bottom end was immersed in the water table, which could carry away the heat, but if you could do that it would be simpler to just have a well.

89 posted on 11/22/2016 8:03:01 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Ellendra

“until it matches the average temperature of the air being pumped in.”

False. The ground just keeps absorbing that warmth. Yeah it will warm up a little, but not that much.


93 posted on 11/22/2016 9:33:09 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Ellendra

Would have to dissipate the heat of vaporization and a bit more—perhaps in excess of 3300 BTU per hour into the soil to produce almost 10 gallons per day? Very wet soil???

Some buried pipe cooling systems can cool air without condensing the water vapor; but, only average about 14 BTU sustained per square foot of buried piping grid.


107 posted on 11/22/2016 1:01:10 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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