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An Author's look into the future: Economic models are changing. We must deal with it.
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Posted on 01/10/2017 7:31:29 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

From the systems approach, how is this going to deal with human whimsy and sinfulness, that which is the tendency to do that which is wrong and hurtful, just out of sheer obstinacy? From observation, I would say that tendency is increasing, not decreasing, and affects all of human life about us. And what about behavior? Are we heading toward a Stallone-type Judge Dredd? Eh?


41 posted on 01/10/2017 9:23:08 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: schurmann
3D printing cannot replace more traditional methods of manufacture and construction in all cases. For example: it’s not going to make firearms.

Firearms require tempered steel: springs and hardened parts (hammers, triggers, sears, pins etc) simply cannot be made the way 3D printers build up material in increments, to create an object.


MIT creates 3D printed graphene that’s lighter than air, 10X stronger than steel

You also need to consider that current firearm designs were designed with previous centuries' manufacturing methods in mind. New design tools and new manufacturing tools (3D printers) and new materials will lead to some new and very deadly weapons.

Much of what you need is just waiting for you to place your order.

Graphene 3D Lab, Inc.
42 posted on 01/10/2017 9:24:49 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: SeekAndFind
After reading through this list I would say half are nonsense and the other half are wishful thinking.
43 posted on 01/10/2017 9:27:26 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: RegulatorCountry
I see great possibilities, even to the point of not resenting subsidization to the extent that many FReepers do.

There is just so much solar energy impinging on the entire area of the map of a nation, and so far less than 50% of that amount can be converted to channelable electricity, Whatever is under the impinging rays must remain in darkness. Totally, there is not enough energy reliable and available by solar means to fuel the needs of a population.

In an agrarian society, sunshine could supply photons for food, but not in our industrialize society where we expect so much more, and for so greatly a concentration of humanity.

Stored sunshine in the form of coal, oil, and gas are now needed, with nuclear energy promising an illimitable supply. I don't think we should consider solarity as an alternative except for some special preferred purposes. It certainly will not provide heat for the Inuit population in Alaska, Siberia, or Greenland. And I don't think I want to relocate to regions like that. I don't like eating seal fat as a staple all that much.

44 posted on 01/10/2017 9:40:00 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: spintreebob
It's on the internet so it must be true... or fake news.

IBM Watson Health anlyzed my shop's data and came up with extremely erroneous conclusion due to errors an 8th grader would not make. It used a numerator as the denominator.


So, you're saying it's already smarter than at least half the population? I bet next years model will be at least as smart as a 9th grader...

I had an online service review our monthly phone bills back around 2008. It took them an afternoon to scan in the bills and about 20 minutes to print us out the report. Saved $20k a year. Not all new technology is ready for prime time. But a lot of cost saving tools are out there and there will be more of them every year.
45 posted on 01/10/2017 9:40:36 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 10 years – and most people don’t see it coming. Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later you would never take pictures on paper film again?


Not only did I believe it, I was saying it by 1990. Although I spent my career in the industry, it took no special knowledge to see where digital cameras were going to lead us. You can bet Kodak knew it too, as they attempted to buy up or put out of business foreign-owned finishers in the US, ie, Fuji and Konisharoku {Konica).

Couldn’t have happened to a better bunch of predatory monopolists.


46 posted on 01/10/2017 9:41:34 AM PST by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: imardmd1

Quoting the exceptions doesn’t undermine the utility where it’s applicable. Otherwise, hydroelectric power would have never been adopted because it doesn’t work in the desert.


47 posted on 01/10/2017 9:43:42 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

“They’ll be Spandex Jackets, one for everyone.”


48 posted on 01/10/2017 9:46:36 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PeterPrinciple
Think of the implications on that. power no longer in the hands of govt and large business. Universities gone because we move back to apprentices.

Govt has been able to tax away most of the labor productivity gains achieved over the last century. The gains from this new techno-revolution may be harder for them to steal since we can keep our means of production closer to home and out of the commercial marketplace but I have faith in them. They are very good at what they do.

Universities on the other hand... they are so last century. A great education is already available for next to nothing via the internet. And if you need some hands on experience, workshops and labs like MakerSpaces and NextFab are available for reasonable fees. People with massive student loan debts are going to be very upset with themselves and their alma mater.
49 posted on 01/10/2017 10:04:59 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Not really what I am saying at all...

If that’s how you choose to take it, carry on.


50 posted on 01/10/2017 10:13:05 AM PST by L,TOWM (There is no longer a system to work within.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Simply speaking, only ignorant people could ever uimagine Solar energy as a replacement even of firewood, let alone eons-stored carboniferous sources. The only reasonable place to implement solar installation is the wastelands and desert, where nothing would be growing on the terrain underneath it anyway,


51 posted on 01/10/2017 10:25:35 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

You’ve got a mass power generation mentality, return to my original reply. What did it say? It offers the possibility of greater individual autonomy. Mass solar arrays make little sense when the land beneath it would be dedicated to nothing else. However, everybody has a roof. Everybody has or needs a garage or storage, use the support structure to create shelter rather than adding onto it. There are now standard size 500 watt solar panels. There are now solar roofing shingles. There are now complete battery banks using LiFePo4 batteries, non-volatile, very long life measured in decades. The rate of technological advance is picking up, not slowing down. There will be totally electric, mobile tiny houses analogous to current RV’s. Pick up and go, take your work and your home with you. The roof *is* a solar array. Individual autonomy, not power plants to serve hundreds of thousands, although that will come to be less and less pie in the sky as time wears on.


52 posted on 01/10/2017 10:34:21 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: PeterPrinciple

“Universities gone because we move back to apprentices.”

If only that were so. The requirements, both in terms of education and experience, for finding work or being self-employed are just going to continue skyrocketing upwards. A few years from now, a simple engineering degree will be considered passe the way a HS diploma is now. You’ll likely need some type of advanced degree in addition to an apprenticeship to be valuable enough to be employed/self-employed.

Also - gov’t and large businesses are the entities best equipped to rapidly scale new technology, so I wouldn’t count on their power diminishing any time soon. Any hope of decentralization would be through social or political action. Economics simply doesn’t favor it over the long haul. I found Trump’s comments on dusting off the Sherman Act intriguing. Let’s hope it wasn’t just bluster.


53 posted on 01/10/2017 10:49:33 AM PST by Eisenhower Republican (Supervillains for Trump: "Because evil pays better!")
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To: Eisenhower Republican
Also - gov’t and large businesses are the entities best equipped to rapidly scale new technology, so I wouldn’t count on their power diminishing any time soon.

That would sort of depend on which direction you're scaling, wouldn't it?

And it's really not so much the govt and large businesses' capabilities that are important here as it is the fact that smaller entities are now capable of doing with these new technologies what only large scale enterprises were previously able to do. New tools, new methods and new materials, when priced as cheaply as these are, favor the nimble and the imaginative not the large and the bureaucratic.
54 posted on 01/10/2017 11:27:15 AM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

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55 posted on 01/10/2017 12:42:24 PM PST by BikerTrash
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To: Garth Tater
"And it's really not so much the govt and large businesses' capabilities that are important here as it is the fact that smaller entities are now capable of doing with these new technologies what only large scale enterprises were previously able to do. New tools, new methods and new materials, when priced as cheaply as these are, favor the nimble and the imaginative not the large and the bureaucratic."

In the very short term, yes. In the medium/long term, these technologies get coopted and scaled by large corporations, giving them even more pricing advantage over smaller players. This leads to more centralization over time, not less. Who benefited in the end from the digital/PC/internet revolution? It wasn't local/small businesses.

Hobby-level 3D printers are cheap, but not good. Ones that can produce usable mechanical parts are not inexpensive by any stretch of the imagination. I'm currently having to use 3D printed parts from a $1,200 machine for a project I'm working on. This wouldn't be possible if we didn't also have a full machine shop because the printer can't hold usable tolerances for placement or dimensions of things like clearance holes. All features other than the bulk shape have to be added the old-fashioned way on a drill-press, lathe, or knee-mill. Quite frankly, it wouldn't be economically feasible compared to standard machining out of aluminum if I counted my hours in the project costs. The only real advantage I get is some small weight savings.

But eventually where all of this (3D printing) is going is that most if not all of the small independent machine shops that now dot the countryside will be replaced by whoever ends up being the "Amazon of 3D printing". Anybody who needs a part made will just upload their file, and it will show up on their doorstep 1-3 days later for about 1/4 of what a local company would have to charge to keep the doors open. Alot of draftsmen will be put out of work as well, because after the part is drawn once -anywhere- it will be available for download from that same "Amazon of 3D" or some other place for free or next-to-nothing. That's where I see it going anyways, and it's pretty hard to imagine that's not going to happen because corporate "printer farms" using this model are already starting to pop up and put smaller players out of the 3D business.
56 posted on 01/10/2017 1:01:30 PM PST by Eisenhower Republican (Supervillains for Trump: "Because evil pays better!")
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’ve been saying this for at least ten years. The future of solar (and wind) is not in commercial application but in individual consumer and residential applications.


57 posted on 01/10/2017 1:10:03 PM PST by Valpal1 (I am enjoying the lamentations of their girly-men on social media.)
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To: Valpal1
I’ve been saying this for at least ten years. The future of solar (and wind) is not in commercial application but in individual consumer and residential applications.

I agree. The power as well as the cost of solar continues to decline. An installation sufficient to run an average house is still a lot of money, though. If it's built into new construction designed for it, it's not quite so daunting. If you're in a reliably windy location with average windspeed above 8 mph, you'd be a fool not to put one up if you can afford it and it's not prohibited. Couple hundred bucks, run your well pump at least. Bigger budget? There are 2000 watt models at Home Depot for $2400. Nice backup for power outages or supplement to solar. I hate to see the automatic hostility to these things here. Yes, the big subsidized power plants have been a boondoggle. That does not mean that it can't work for you personally. It can and does.

58 posted on 01/10/2017 1:27:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Eisenhower Republican

That CAD is intellectual property just as surely as music, video or anything else is. It’s not going to be given away, not by the creators and not by the owners. Small businesses will both create and own intellectual property for use in the distributed 3D printing economy.


59 posted on 01/10/2017 1:30:29 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
"That CAD is intellectual property just as surely as music, video or anything else is. It’s not going to be given away, not by the creators and not by the owners."

People in the music/video biz are already feeling the sting from things like netflix, youtube, and pandora. Draftsmen can't trade on celebrity the way they do. Some starving person in India using pirated or open source software can produce/reproduce that content just as easily as somebody here. That's already becoming a cottage industry in its own right. Also, a significant portion of 3D printable objects are already open source or very low cost. Take a good long peek at thingiverse.com, or shapeways.com some time. Might open your eyes.

The only entities really equipped to fight frequent/prolonged court battles over IP are large corporations. They can defend "their" IP, and alternatively, if they really want something you've got in terms of IP, they'll eventually get it by hook or by crook. Once again, this doesn't favor decentralization. I wish I was wrong, but I don't see anything at all trending that way at the moment.
60 posted on 01/10/2017 2:31:05 PM PST by Eisenhower Republican (Supervillains for Trump: "Because evil pays better!")
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