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I think I found the El Dorado of progressivism
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Posted on 01/13/2017 8:14:54 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

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All these tools, all these weapons. The history of progressivism is something that today's progressives do not want anybody seeing, want anybody using, because they would have a very hard time defending themselves against the use of these.
1 posted on 01/13/2017 8:14:55 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: mvonfr; Southside_Chicago_Republican; celmak; SvenMagnussen; miss marmelstein; ...
If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: This speech was definitely not intended for public consumption.

2 posted on 01/13/2017 8:17:41 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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Good post...thank you.

PROGRESSIVE = REPRESSIVE


3 posted on 01/13/2017 8:19:47 AM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Good find. A lot of this stuff has been available; but progressives have been very good at their policy of not showing it to the masses.


4 posted on 01/13/2017 8:22:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Wow. Great find. It is called The Fourth Power, not the Forth Estate, although the fourth estate today does consider itself a power. I think here of the Powers and the Principalities in the New Testament. I will have to pour a glass or two of brandy and read this meditatively later tonight. Much thanks.


5 posted on 01/13/2017 8:25:16 AM PST by Montaignes Cat
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Progressives/Communists cannot be honest because if they were, they would be rejected.

Political Correctness was designed to control the narrative and it has worked.


6 posted on 01/13/2017 8:26:39 AM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Bkmk


7 posted on 01/13/2017 8:43:32 AM PST by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
1) It is not the beginning of our troubles. Progressivism already had a 30+ year track record by the time the New Deal began.

Try "The Civil War." That is a much better place to start. All the particulars were in place; Wealthy, Liberal power blocks trying to force their morality on everyone else and use the power of government to do it.

Others have pointed out that Progressivism started with the Puritans in Massachusetts, who were also arrogant and insistent that everyone conform to their moral opinions.

But for our modern understanding of the phenomena, the Civil War is a better point from which to project it's origin.

8 posted on 01/13/2017 8:45:21 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Read it in the scanned original journal form at archive.org here

https://archive.org/stream/planningcivilcom05washrich#page/n101/mode/2up

"The Fourth Power", by Rexford G. Tugwell, in Planning and Civic Comment, April - June, 1939.

9 posted on 01/13/2017 8:46:37 AM PST by mbarker12474
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"We're conservative! {uhhh} But Progressive!"


 

"I do not like the reappearance of the Jesuits....
Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gipsies can assume, dressed as printers, publishers, [Banksters], writers and schoolmasters?

If ever there was a body of men who merited damnation on earth and in Hell, it is this society of Loyola’s.

Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them an asylum."

--John Adams to Thomas Jefferson; May, 1816



10 posted on 01/13/2017 8:46:54 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Care to expand on what morality was being forced on others during the Civil War, and how it kicked off the Progressive Era?


11 posted on 01/13/2017 8:56:33 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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Care to expand on what morality was being forced on others during the Civil War, and how it kicked off the Progressive Era?

Sure. The Liberals were objecting to the Southern manner of wearing hats and suits. They believed that it was an affront to God.

This is what started the great clothing war of 1861.

12 posted on 01/13/2017 9:01:03 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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There’s a huge delta between bad policies and ideological drive.

There’s plenty of bad policies during the civil war, but there is no drumbeat during that time period that aims at big government simply for the existence of big government. That’s all progressivism, and doesn’t appear until the age of Theodore and Woodrow at the turn of the century.


13 posted on 01/13/2017 9:05:43 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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bfl


14 posted on 01/13/2017 9:06:28 AM PST by snooter55 (People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
There’s plenty of bad policies during the civil war, but there is no drumbeat during that time period that aims at big government simply for the existence of big government.

That is why it is the origin of big government. After tasting it, some found it to their liking, and the government simply grew larger and more intrusive thereafter.

That’s all progressivism, and doesn’t appear until the age of Theodore and Woodrow at the turn of the century.

On our national scale, it started with a race obsessed Liberal Lawyer from Illinois. Lincoln grew the Federal government into a monster. Woodrow Wilson simply nourished the little monster that Lincoln had birthed.

15 posted on 01/13/2017 9:12:38 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Uh huh, sure.


16 posted on 01/13/2017 9:17:46 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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Are you going to argue my point, or just spend all your time telling me just how much you agree with the morality that was imposed?

The point I made is that morality was imposed, not whether we approve of it.

Currently they are trying to shove Homosexuality down our throats. Most of us do not agree with it, though I expect some do.

Is it the job of the government to shove morality down the throats of people who do not agree with it?

17 posted on 01/13/2017 9:23:06 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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Yeah, that’s what I thought. You object to anyone having combated slavery, and derisively call that effort “progressive.” Southrons are so easy to spot, and such an embarrassment to this forum.


18 posted on 01/13/2017 9:23:21 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: DiogenesLamp

All law is legislating morality, so get over it.


19 posted on 01/13/2017 9:24:10 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Nice work. Thank you.


20 posted on 01/13/2017 9:24:23 AM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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