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To: DiogenesLamp

“Rebellion is only necessary when someone doesn’t recognize that you have the right to leave.”

Hey if it was good enough for Georgre Washington, it was good enough for Jeff Davis. I suppose you support Nat Turner and Newt Knight too.

“And no, the Confederates did not invade the North.”

Never said they did, though there were some folks in Pennsylvania around 1863 who might have argued differently. Secesh did fire the first shot though. Too bad those fine Southern gentlemen were too dumb to try the courts first. I mean they had those “hand picked” judges you mentioned. Like with the Dred Scott decision. The South controlled the court. But no, they had to get all uppity and peacock about.

“Apparently Lincoln was willing to pay 750,000 lives to maintain control over states that didn’t want his rule.”

“The South is invaded. It is time for all patriots to be united, to be under military organization, to be advancing to the conflict determined to live or die in defence of the God given right to own the African”

Richard Thompson Archer, in a letter to the Vicksburg Sun, Dec. 8, 1859.

Old Abe gave farmer Archer his God given rights, good and hard, that’s all.


51 posted on 01/16/2017 8:23:21 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I suppose you support Nat Turner

Murdering women and children? Because we all know, those people were a great threat to his independence.

I would also note a distinct difference between a collection of states such as the 13 colonies or the 11 confederate states (with populations totaling around 5 million people) and a few hundred dissidents.

Never said they did, though there were some folks in Pennsylvania around 1863 who might have argued differently.

1863? You mean after numerous invasions of the South by the North? This is like saying "That guy punched me" after you had been punching him over and over again. "Yeah, he did finally punch you back."

Secesh did fire the first shot though.

When you are about to be caught between the guns of a Naval force and the guns of a fortress, your only chance of surviving the encounter is to take out one set of guns before the others can be brought to bear against you.

When word had reached Beauregard that another ship had joined the Naval Task Force assembled off the coast of Charleston, he knew he had better stop the fortress guns or he would be caught between the two forces and destroyed.

Had Lincoln not sent that Naval Task force (and in direct violation of the existing armistice) the Fort would not have been attacked. Confederate telegrams of the period indicate that it was precisely because those Navy warships showed up, that the fort had to be neutralized.

Old Abe gave farmer Archer his God given rights, good and hard, that’s all.

“The South is invaded. It is time for all patriots to be united, to be under military organization, to be advancing to the conflict determined to live or die in defence of the God given right to own the African”
-Richard Thompson Archer- (A nobody)

Except you are dishonestly leaving out the fact that Lincoln planned for them to keep owning Africans. How about a little truth for a change? The Liberal Lawyer from Illinois kept telling them "If you like your slavery, you can keep your slavery."

He even supported the effort to create the 13th amendment, (Corwin Amendment) which was to guarantee that slavery would be constitutionally protected permanently.

The truth indicates that the Union reasons for invading had nothing to do with slavery, and everything to do with controlling that Huge amount of money the South produced every year in European trade.

52 posted on 01/16/2017 8:59:20 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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