Latest exchange:
Jim0216: How many grievances of unconstitutional federal acts did the South list?
DL answer: My argument is that it [secession] is entirely up to the people who feel aggrieved, not the people whom they feel is oppressing them.
Jim0216 reply:
- - Well, I think the Founders, as well as I, would disagree with you.
- - Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes...To prove [Tyranny over these States], let Facts be submitted to a candid world. Declaration of Independence.
- - According to you, this is a waste of time and effort. But not according to the Founders with whom I agree.
DL answer: I don't think you are attempting to address my point in an objective manner. And for what it's worth, I also think the founders agree with me.
Basically a non-sequitur answer void of reason. I think I'm done. Have a good day DL.
And that is exactly how I feel about you. You refuse to address the central issue which I have clearly identified, (Natural Law rights) preferring to instead throw out this word cloud of irrelevant points that do not speak to foundational principles involved. You have made no attempt to address the "Natural Law" foundation of the Declaration, preferring instead to simply say "Because they did it this way, this is the only valid way to do it." (appeal to common practice fallacy.)
When I point out that the document itself explains that the listing of "grievances" was simply a courtesy, (...a decent respect to the opinions of mankind...) and not a necessity, you patently ignore that point, and continue on as if you weren't shown to be wrong by the clear text of the document. You then go on to say the founders agree with you, which is nothing more than an unsupported assertion, and you become incensed when I repeat your own claim back at you.
It is clear that you simply want to believe what you want to believe, and you find it annoying when people present facts that contradict your preferred world view.
I was mistaken in my assessment of you. I took you for something other than a knee jerk thinker who follows the herd. I thought you had the capability of being objective and independent, regardless of what is popular.
It has become apparent to me that reassessing your assumptions is simply too tedious of a task with which to bother you. I now wish I hadn't wasted my time.
I shall now proceed to look for someone who wishes to have an actual debate rather than participate in an echo chamber.