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Vonnegut, Heinlein, Kipling, and Others Battle It Out for a Libertarian Award
Reason ^ | |Jan. 17, 2017 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 02/10/2017 1:51:53 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 02/10/2017 1:51:53 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“An armed society is a polite society”

“TANSTAAFL”

Robert Heinlein


2 posted on 02/10/2017 1:55:46 PM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: nickcarraway
"And another thing, Vonnegut, I'm gonna stop payment on the check!"


3 posted on 02/10/2017 1:58:07 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: nickcarraway

Harrison Bergeron is the classic in this group of worthy literature. It is written in a way that it actually speaks to kids, even now.

That’s the test.

Absolute classic, and its succinct, which you have to be in a society with near zero attention span.


4 posted on 02/10/2017 2:00:41 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: NicknamedBob

Nothing by NicknamedBob? Is outrage!


5 posted on 02/10/2017 2:02:43 PM PST by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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To: nickcarraway

LOVE love love Harrison Bergeron. It seems so apt in this age of “privilege.”

If these others are on the same par as that one, I’m gonna have some reading to do. :)


6 posted on 02/10/2017 2:02:57 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (Refreshing? Trump makes me feel like I just freebased a York Peppermint Pattie!)
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To: nickcarraway

If Hall of Fame means fame, “Harrison Bergeron” is the only one I ever see cited.


7 posted on 02/10/2017 2:07:50 PM PST by MUDDOG
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To: RinaseaofDs
Unfortunately, the Vonnegut of Harrison Bergeron died somewhere between Breakfast of Champions and Slapstick and even his pale ghost was never seen again, as Kurt himself made a very sharp left turn into oblivion.
8 posted on 02/10/2017 2:25:43 PM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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To: nickcarraway

Heinlein doesn’t fit well with libertarianism after Ayn Rand.


9 posted on 02/10/2017 2:28:47 PM PST by MrEdd (MrEdd)
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To: nickcarraway
There's some disagreement about just what is being satirized in "Harrison Bergeron."

Vonnegut said later that his satire was more against right-wing views of left-wing egalitarianism than about communism or socialism.

That could simply be the older Vonnegut covering himself from criticism from his left-wing peers, but it is possible.

10 posted on 02/10/2017 2:40:36 PM PST by x
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To: Vaquero
"The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" should be mandatory reading in High School.
11 posted on 02/10/2017 2:52:37 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Got my DEPLORABLE on)
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To: nickcarraway

Heinlein.


12 posted on 02/10/2017 3:01:09 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

And starship troopers. Not the sarcastic take on the book, that movie, but the real novel.

And most people never got the satire of Strangers in a Strange Land. The hippie bible that was completely misread by them.

I also read, I believe, all of the Lazarus Long novels.


13 posted on 02/10/2017 3:15:58 PM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Lazarus Long, Time enough for love. great novel


14 posted on 02/10/2017 3:17:32 PM PST by Craftmore
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I have seen Vonnegut criticize everything right of center. I did enjoy much of his stuff though.


15 posted on 02/10/2017 3:18:16 PM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: nickcarraway

I nominate Joshua of the book of Joshua and the founder of the libertarian state of Israel. His founding words were thus:

Choose you this day whom you will serve. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

All libertarianism since then has been built on that statement.


16 posted on 02/10/2017 3:25:25 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: Vaquero

+1.

L


17 posted on 02/10/2017 3:27:38 PM PST by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: nickcarraway

Perhaps there is another who deserves mention and credit, to wit, John W Campbell Jr., the editor of Astounding SF -> Analog SF&F from 1937 to 1971, since he published 4 of these six nominees!

His editorials were required reading and led me to my libertarian views today. His influence on the “Golden Age” of Science Fiction is measured by the authors he helped. The paper he used may have been pulp, but the writing and editing shone like gold.


18 posted on 02/10/2017 3:53:59 PM PST by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: FredZarguna

A friend of mine worked at a NPR radio station. He was left of center but still rational. He sent me a tape of a Vonneget interview shortly before Vonneget died. My friend had not aired it because it was obvious that Vonneget had dementia. He went on an incoherent rant about how he was thankful that he had a pasty complexion because George Bush wanted to kill everyone paler than himself. He’d obviously lost it but of course NPR thought it was great stuff.


19 posted on 02/10/2017 6:37:37 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Fidel and Che are together again, and it ain't on a t-shirt.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Can’t disagree but I’d wager that Harrison Bergeron may have never been written if not for Heinlein’s works that preceded it.


20 posted on 02/11/2017 2:44:11 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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