Posted on 04/23/2017 8:43:56 PM PDT by BJ1
I don’t agree with this premise. I see blue collar guys all over our middle class community becoming engaged and marrying college graduate gals. My son being one. Heck I see graduate school women involved with blue collar and skilled trades guys.
I think it is wonderful that these millennils are finding their loves. BTW most of them of devoutly religious.
Interned in a college counseling center in the nineties. Noted same hook up issues and worked with many a young woman who had serial sexual encounters and “felt bad” and did not understand why. These young women expected that they would feel as they had been trained, in school and by the culture, that sex was a bit like sneezing. Not that it was a precious part of them and a path for attachment and love.
there were so many of these women and it boiled down to their inability to conceive of and state the word “No.”
These women had not been taught by mothers and grandmothers that they were to be fussy and were able to say No to any and all encounters if they wished. The young women had the attitude: Well I am not a virgin and he wants sex and it would be mean or uncooperative to withhold sex, because I really don’t have a reason to ...
this is what their culture had taught them via schooling and media. (there are times I perfectly well understand the disgust the Islamics have for Western culture)
I proposed holding groups for the young women on campus teaching them that their body was their own and that they had the option of saying no to sex. That proposal was shot down by the university and the head of the counseling center because it might be “judgmental”
As if life was not a series of judgments.
Young women today have been traumatized by the culture.
with the current culture even those who are married can find themselves alone and unloved as they age.
Why would you call a woman who is a wife and homemaker a slave?
There are plenty of women who enjoy a traditional role in the home.
I have a young friend who hopes for the same.
Most women (note the word “most”) will not marry someone who makes less than they do.
Or that works at a less prestigious job than they do. A doctor will not marry a man who owns a garbage business, even though he may be worth much more than she is.
#3 is actually viewed as a negative in many fields. I have been told “Well, you would be good at job X, but you have a family so we went with the divorced guy.”
First time it happened it made me angry. 20th time I realized that if the requirement was that you have no family, it wasn’t a job I wanted.
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Sure, make an assumption about a marriage from a short paragraph. How do you know what I have and what you want? It’s a Biblical marriage — I have my role and she has hers. If you don’t want that, that’s fine, but don’t pretend it’s just different, because it is clearly better than a non-Biblical one.
Hey, I have a college degree and mr. mm doesn’t.
He’s the primary bread winner, always has been, and I’m what he once called *hopelessly domestic*.
Sure I could have gone out and supported myself. Matter of fact, I had 10 years in at the company I worked at, enough for a pension, when I quit to get married and be a stay at home wife and mother. I finished up my degree so that if anything happened to mr. mm I would be marketable with a college degree and 10 years of work experience.
We homeschooled our kids and ALL three of them have finished college and are working on graduate degrees.
The problem isn’t so much a lack of marriageable men but the expectations that everyone goes into marriage with and the entitlement mentality BOTH sides have.
Likewise, if men want women who are pure, women want men like that too.
If men have no trouble with sleeping around and *banging* girls, why would it bother them to marry a woman who thought and acted like that too?
That's a double standard and women DO. NOT. LIKE. IT.
It's called *hypocrisy*.
you laugh because it’s true right?
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Bald and beer belly?
If that’s an improvement, then it’s no wonder women aren’t interested in marrying either and would rather support themselves.
IOW, wrong.
>>> Likewise, if men want women who are pure, women want men like that too.
If men have no trouble with sleeping around and *banging* girls, why would it bother them to marry a woman who thought and acted like that too?
That’s a double standard and women DO. NOT. LIKE. IT.<<<
I am not sure how many men want a pure wife that is a virgin. Sadly the reality is that hardly any husband or wife is so when they get married. So it’s not something to be expected for most.
But you can easily find guys on the manosphere lamenting women’s nature for 1) Banging the bad boy types in their 20s then suddenly when a woman hits the wall and hears her biological clock ticking she wants a nice guy to provide for her, future kids and to be loyal to her. 2) Why should the nice guy take the risk of getting destroyed financially and emotionally in a divorce for something this same woman was giving away for free to bad boys?
Yeah the guys have a double standard. They are stupid if they can’t see that banging some girl is wrong as she is some other man’s future wife. However, their reaction to having a slut for a bride/mother of his kids is reasonable don’t you think? I would have never chosen a woman who was promiscuous when I was looking to get remarried.
In the world we live in, who’s taking more risk getting married? The man of course. Women have all the bias in their favor. From allegations of domestic violence, to being the custodial parent and hence extracting resources from a man she’s no longer married to.
Here’s an example of somebody close to me. She had two kids from her first husband who is “a loser.” She is now remarried with another kid. They have a new baby and neither her or the husband made enough money to justify daycare expenses. The husband decided to stay home, but has a part-time job delivering pizzas. The woman is now living in a nice house in the burbs. She makes a modest salary that I’m sure is less than her ex who is in the trades. He lives with his mother in the basement. She lives in a nice house in the burbs making less money.
In my state the math works out this way: The guy loses 26% of his income and gives it to the ex wife. That money is also tax free. Which means the woman and her part-time employed new husband can still enjoy all the tax credits for the working poor. And that’s how she can live in a nice house making less money than her ex, who lives in the basement with his mom.
Guys see these examples all the time. Since that is so, I think men should demand any woman they marry to be worth the risk.
And that is unfortunate.
But a man does not become experienced by himself.
They have nothing to complain about when they contribute to the problem of a lack of pure girls.
This is hardly evidence, but I think more girls are willing to wait than men would think. But USUALLY, it's the guy who puts the pressure on her to put out.
If you love me....
I promise I won't leave you.
Whatever it takes to get her in the sack.
And then they whine that there are no *good* girls out there?
Well, whose fault is that?
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