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Flying Saucers and Other Fairy Tales
NYT ^ | 12/23/2017 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 12/25/2017 7:36:27 PM PST by BenLurkin

It is... good for Harry Reid and his little-green-men-obsessed billionaire pal for keeping the flame of weird curiosity alive.

But I also doubt that such research will ever prove that the strange lights and vessels filmed by human pilots actually belong to a starfaring species that’s come to our planet to study, experiment and eventually offer us a hand up or else ruthlessly invade....

Other sapient species may indeed be out there, but the most parsimonious explanation for all the U.F.O. encounters since Roswell is not that our nuclear testing or space program finally inspired the galaxy to come see what humanity is all about.

This was the argument of Jacques Vallée, a French-born scientist and a wonderful character in the annals of ufology, who wrote a wild book in the heady year of 1969 called “Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers,” which The Times’s U.F.O.-spending scoop gave me an excuse to read.

Vallée’s conclusion is basically the reverse of Erich von Däniken’s thesis in “Chariots of the Gods,” published to better sales the prior year. Where von Däniken argued that old myths and biblical tales alike contain evidence of ancient alien visitations ...Vallée suggested that contemporary U.F.O. narratives are of piece with stories about Northern European fairies and their worldwide kith and kin — and that it’s more reasonable to think that we’re reading our space age preoccupations into a persistent phenomenon that might be much weirder than a simple visitation from the stars.

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1 posted on 12/25/2017 7:36:27 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

I find it hard to believe that some civilization would cross 100 trillion or so miles of frozen vacuum just to steal some cows and zip around allusively in the sky for apparently no reason, or have a penchant for lewd examinations. Then again, I’ve seen plenty of photos and videos by self-described “ufologists” that are clearly fake. If some are fake, why not all? Then again, I’ve seen a UFO myself, I just don’t know what it was.


2 posted on 12/25/2017 7:48:55 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: BenLurkin

The New York TIMES and Other Fairy Tales


3 posted on 12/25/2017 7:50:23 PM PST by MarvinStinson
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I can’t figure out how they cross however many miles they come but when they get here they crash.


4 posted on 12/25/2017 7:57:38 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
I find it difficult to believe that interstellar aliens with massive spacecraft can overcome the barriers of time and space.

I also find it just as difficult to believe that professional observers - military-trained pilots (and others) - would hallucinate such things.

For me the answer is obvious - there there is an intelligent species that is native to Earth.

What do civilized people do when barbarians move into their neighborhoods? They move elsewhere and keep their distance.

It's a big world, and there are plenty of places where a species advanced enough to produce such craft could sequester themselves.

This would also explain the behavior of governments vis-a-vis UFOs in recent decades.

5 posted on 12/25/2017 8:00:58 PM PST by The Duke ( Azealia Banks)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Any civilization that could cross interstellar space would look at us as if we were lab rats. And they would act accordingly.

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6 posted on 12/25/2017 8:01:24 PM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: BenLurkin

You’d think they would have pretty much mastered flying.


7 posted on 12/25/2017 8:02:43 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I find it hard to believe that some civilization would cross 100 trillion or so miles of frozen vacuum just to steal some cows and zip around allusively in the sky for apparently no reason, or have a penchant for lewd examinations. Then again, I’ve seen plenty of photos and videos by self-described “ufologists” that are clearly fake. If some are fake, why not all? Then again, I’ve seen a UFO myself, I just don’t know what it was.

I agree with your post almost in total. However the footage and radar paints of the F-18s some years ago off the coast of California defy any rational explanation. If this was a manned craft of our design doing the speeds and changes in direction of this UFO the G forces would have made them into pink slime. If the film is real this was an alien craft. If it is not real, why in the hell did the defense department release the film. Something strange is going on.

Relative to a civilization that can cross interstellar distances and observe us, we would be just curious bugs for them to look at and study. I hope they like bugs.

8 posted on 12/25/2017 8:03:43 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: Lurker

You mean like anal probes and feeding us aspartame?


9 posted on 12/25/2017 8:04:00 PM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth, it gave no one a brain)
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To: cpdiii

Like as in to eat? {{{shudder}}}


10 posted on 12/25/2017 8:05:00 PM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth, it gave no one a brain)
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To: Lurker
Any civilization that could cross interstellar space would look at us as if we were lab rats. And they would act accordingly.

So, whey would be acting uncivilized?

What a waste of intelligence, if that's what we want to call their mental capacity.
11 posted on 12/25/2017 8:05:11 PM PST by adorno
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To: The Duke

Well, I for one want to find out where they live, they’ve got all the cool toys.


12 posted on 12/25/2017 8:05:11 PM PST by crosdaddy
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t know what to think. A number of years ago, I got up at 4:30am to get ready for work and went out onto the back porch to have a cup of coffee while looking at the night sky.

While glancing up at what I thought was the planet Venus, the shinning star like object suddenly darted to my right and shot out of sight at high speed.

Several years later, while camping in a remote area with some friends, while standing on some rocks above our camp, I saw a green glowing disc fly up from a nearby canyon and zig zag back and forth across the sky several times in front of me at incredible speed, before disappearing again into the canyon. My friends, sitting around the campfire saw nothing.

I told a few people at work about my sighting, but they just laughed and discounted what I saw as a stealth fighter plane in the sky. Yeah right. I can see why people who have strange sightings often don’t say much as ridicule from people who have never seen anything out of the ordinary is often the response.


13 posted on 12/25/2017 8:06:59 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: cpdiii

I still like to keep an open mind, even to the malevolent possibilities, but I have a problem with issues like “what could they possibly want?”. Earth has no resources that you can’t find more abundantly somewhere else. Water, gold, both can be found in far greater amounts in the outer solar system and the asteroids. If they want a livable planet, I’d think it would be easier to terraform a nearby planet rather than transport their entire civilization light years across space. It makes no sense to me, but maybe I’m just a stupid human with a puny brain.


14 posted on 12/25/2017 8:17:03 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Earth has no resources that you can’t find more abundantly somewhere else.

Chocolate. Coffee. Cocaine. Kudzu...

15 posted on 12/25/2017 8:20:44 PM PST by null and void (The internet gave everyone a mouth, it gave no one a brain)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Protein.


16 posted on 12/25/2017 8:21:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: The Duke

They could also simply be invisible to us, except under occasional, unusual conditions; or appear to act peculiarly because we’re only getting a sort of ‘Flatland’ view of them - which would align somewhat with some of Vallee’s conjectures.


17 posted on 12/25/2017 8:22:40 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Inyo-Mono

There is a novel - Little Green Men - written by Christopher Buckley. You might find it interesting and very funny.

Basically the book is about how our government wanted the Russians to believe we had visits from and information from extra terrestrials. We wanted the Russians to believe we had UFO technology. So they abducted people and convinced them they had been taken into space ships.

The main character in the novel is a guy who was hired to abduct people from places such as Walmart parking lots. Over time the people claimed all kinds of things happened to them in the space ships, e.g., sexual stuff. Over time the guy had to increase what he had to do to maintain his credibility. It a funny novel. A fast read.


18 posted on 12/25/2017 8:25:24 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

I’ll check it out, thanks!


19 posted on 12/25/2017 8:28:57 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: BenLurkin


Just a food source? Hydroponic technology would be child's play compared to interstellar travel. Makes no sense.
20 posted on 12/25/2017 8:39:09 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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